Disunited socialist republics?

[Kami888]

Disunited socialist republics

Recently i quickly made a following modification: I forced the dismantlement of USSR in the very beginning of the game into separate republics. The only 3 republics I kept united were the transcaucasian states (AzSSR, ArSSR, and GSSR), or should I separate them too?

Currently all republics have a bunch of ministers and military leaders, although I haven't yet checked if those ministers are appropriate for 1936 republics (although I assume they are since Paradox included them).

The storyline could be that Stalin was overthrown or overpowered by Trotsky who believed that Stalin's efforts to unite republics were too "heavy handed" and once in power he insisted on their national self determination, transforming what was beginning to get known as USSR into a commonwealth of allied socialist nations.

I haven't played the game far enough yet to see how this separation actually affects the gameplay, but it surely is a significant change. All I know is that we get a bunch of new nations to play as, trade with, and which we need to assist also. At first i made all republics puppet states of Soviet Russia, but that seemed to cause the economies of many of the republics start collpasing early on in the game and I couldn't do anything to save them. So i decided to permit some "free trade" in the comintern by ceasing their puppet status and therefore allowing them to trade freely within and beyond the comintern. Amazingly, their economies started recovering immidiately so i guess that is the way to go.

The republican flags which I used (except transcaucasia) belong tothis site. These flags were actually adopted in the 1950, the earlier republican flags looked more like that Transcaucasian flag. The reason i use the 1950 flags currently is because they are the only ones i could find on the internet.

//Update:
To see how the mod currently looks like download
SovietRepublicsMod

 

[Kami888]

So what do you think? Is this thing worth being transformed into a mod?

 

[unmerged(44784)]

Colors? Can you put in in Diplomatic mapmode?

 

[Kami888]

Colors? Can you put in in Diplomatic mapmode?

Eh? What's wrong with the colors? It is in diplomatic mapmode

 

[unmerged(28876)]

I believe he means that he would find it easier to see borders and the like in the political mapmode.

 

[unmerged(52425)]

Add Soviet Siberia...

 

[Kami888]

I believe he means that he would find it easier to see borders and the like in the political mapmode.

Screen 3 is in political mapmode. You can see most of the borders in Eurpoe and caucasus, the only borders you might not see are those of the central asian republics, I'll show them later.

Add Soviet Siberia...

I assume that's a joke because there was never such an entity in USSR as "Siberian republic" or anything of this sort Siberia firmly was (and is) part of Russia.

I could add Soviet Finland-Karelia though, it was historically created in 1939 and abolished in about 1950. In game it will be created when war breaks out against Finland.

 

[Gen.Armando]

Just a suggestion...

Maybe you should take off the Soviet in front of every countries name?

I'd find it wierd if Germany coups ukraine and get the national socialist state of Soviet Ukraine

The worst nightmare... nazi-communists! Bring em on!

 

[unmerged(52425)]

I assume that's a joke because there was never such an entity in USSR as "Siberian republic" or anything of this sort Siberia firmly was (and is) part of Russia.

I could add Soviet Finland-Karelia though, it was historically created in 1939 and abolished in about 1950. In game it will be created when war breaks out against Finland.

Ah, it is. I just have some strange thing for playing as Siberia.

But you may consider Soviet Far East since there was a brief independent state/soviet republic there.

Karelo-Finnish SSR would definedly be quite intresting.

 

[Van der Gent]

I would certainly try it..

 

[Ayeshteni]

I would certainly steal... try it, I will certainly try it (thats what I meant to say )

Mod33 has an event where Stalin is injured watching a parade and so USSR can go in a different and interesting path (it is in French however). But I can see this being a 'possible' twist. I likey. May try something along these lines.

Ayeshteni

 

[Kochtopfhelm]

The Krim-peninsula shouldnt be ukrainian in that time. Khrushchev gave it by breaking soviet law to the ukraine in 1954 as a present.

 

[Kami888]

The Krim-peninsula shouldnt be ukrainian in that time.

Very true, somehow i didn't even notice this. I wonder why did paradox include crimea in urkainian revolt file.

Maybe you should take off the Soviet in front of every countries name?

That's true, but then i'll need to change the flags also to non-soviet. And i'm not sure whether that would be a great idea since those non-soviet national flags weren't even permitted for use historically. Plus, I like these flags. Too bad HOI2 doesn't have the Victoria style flag change system

But you may consider Soviet Far East since there was a brief independent state/soviet republic there.

Yeah interesting idea. The state had its own armed forces, but its goal was only to serve as a temporary buffer state between RSFSR and Japan. Since it is overwhelmingly Russian-populated, I'm not sure what were the actual chances of it remaining independent. Plus i'm not sure if the HOI2 Primorsk state has any pro-soviet ministers - i'll have to investigate.

So, to sum it up here go some questions:
-Should Trotsky lead Russia or someone else? If so, who should be in his cabinet?
-Should Transcaucasia be further broken up into Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Georgia or should it stay the way it is now?
-Should there be a Far Eastern Republic?
-Should all republics be puppets of Russia (down-side: they have economic problems) or should they be just allies (down-side: all conquered territory goes to them, not to Russia)?
-Should the USSR sign a pact with nazi germany or not? If yes, what would its terms be? If no, what should happen instead?
-Would there still be demands to Finland and Romania and be the same as historically or different?
-What should happen to baltic states? Do they just get couped by Russia?

 

[Ayeshteni]

That's true, but then i'll need to change the flags also to non-soviet. And i'm not sure whether that would be a great idea since those non-soviet national flags weren't even permitted for use historically. Plus, I like these flags. Too bad HOI2 doesn't have the Victoria style flag change system

You can get rid of the Soviet, it is no biggy. However you are right about the flags. I say you keep the flags, It is about the Soviet sattelites after all.

So, to sum it up here go some questions:
-Should Trotsky lead Russia or someone else? If so, who should be in his cabinet?
-Should Transcaucasia be further broken up into Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Georgia or should it stay the way it is now?
-Should there be a Far Eastern Republic?
-Should all republics be puppets of Russia (down-side: they have economic problems) or should they be just allies (down-side: all conquered territory goes to them, not to Russia)?
-Should the USSR sign a pact with nazi germany or not? If yes, what would its terms be? If no, what should happen instead?
-Would there still be demands to Finland and Romania and be the same as historically or different?
-What should happen to baltic states? Do they just get couped by Russia?

Well if you break up Transcaucasia just remember that Armenia only has Right-wing ministers (PA, FA and one or two NS I beleive)

I would make them puppets, but I would write up some events that will give them 'supplies from Russia' or somesuch. In this manner Russia can still be the dominant factor (and not stuck behind an expanding belt of enlarging satellites). Of course some could be puppets and others just Comintern members. But yes, Make some events (persistent) that give them resources and supplies.

Ayeshteni

 

[unmerged(52425)]

So, to sum it up here go some questions:
-Should Trotsky lead Russia or someone else? If so, who should be in his cabinet?
-Should Transcaucasia be further broken up into Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Georgia or should it stay the way it is now?
-Should there be a Far Eastern Republic?
-Should all republics be puppets of Russia (down-side: they have economic problems) or should they be just allies (down-side: all conquered territory goes to them, not to Russia)?
-Should the USSR sign a pact with nazi germany or not? If yes, what would its terms be? If no, what should happen instead?
-Would there still be demands to Finland and Romania and be the same as historically or different?
-What should happen to baltic states? Do they just get couped by Russia?

- Trotsky as HoS, Bukharin as HoG maybe?
- Nah, Transcaucasia is fine
- Yes
- Puppets
- Maybe option to carve some land for Ukraine and Byelorussia?
- Propably the same as in history...
- Couping sounds good

 

[unmerged(54016)]

Not interesting! But you very good do it!
But it is some if do in Germany Schleizvig-Golshteine, Bayern and other.

 

[Kami888]

Updated:
New borders of Russia (notice that crimea is Russian now):

Ukraine and Belarus inherit a lot of Russian infantry upon gaining independence:

Beginning the invasion of Poland:

This is how the Far Eastern Republic looks like. The capital is at Chita:

Karelo-Finnish SSR is created upon the beginning of the Finnish Winter War (It's borders are a bit wrong, the'll be fixed to include Segezha):

Poland is partitioned. Notice that Wilno goes to Lithuania:

Assaulting Finland from all directions:

Transcaucasia is doing pretty good economically-wise despite begin a puppet:

Finland is annexed by Karelo-Finnish SSR (capital and color will be fixed):

In case you didn't see it yet - this is how Central Asia looks like:

Improvements so far:
-All soviet republics have been changed tags from standard to U00-U12. This way, upon beging couped or puppeted by non-communist nations, the republics will immideately change names and flags to standard non-communist.
-Karelo Finnish SSR and Far Eastern Republic are included.
-Crimea is now owned by Russian SFSR at the beginning, but Ukraine has claims on it.
-Polish war has been reworked to transfer control to Belarus and Ukraine, not to Russia.
-Baltic states demands have been reworked. At first they grant access to comintern troops and do only minor government chnages in 1939. Then in 1940 they get puppeted and becomes soviet republics.
-Romanian and Finnish demands have been reworked. There is no demand for Besarrabia as a territory any more, the soviets demand influence in all Romania.
-Economic problems from being puppeted have been fixed for most of the republics.
-SSRs now load AIs.

Problems so far:
-Despite loading agressive AIs, the SSRs are usually a bit too slow to move into Poland. (unless the player takes military control of them of course)
-Belarus still has some problems with economy.
-Far Eastern Republic has way too many troops and way too few ICs to supply them. I'll probably have to add ICs in random Far Eastern provinces to prevent the republic from collapsing.
-Some border changes are needed for the Karelo-Finnish SSR. It also needs to change color so it doesn't look exactly like Sweden.

 

[Kami888]

- Trotsky as HoS, Bukharin as HoG maybe?

I did as you suggested, but I don't know what their traits should be. For now I put Trotsky as "Barking Buffon" and Bukharin as "Benevolent Genetleman", but I don't think these tratis fit them too well :rofl:
BTW, do you have ideas what the rest of the cabinet should look like? And I think Molotov-Ribbentrop pact should be renamed because Molotov will probably not become the foreign minister.

Not interesting! But you very good do it!
But it is some if do in Germany Schleizvig-Golshteine, Bayern and other.

Lol I need a translator :rofl:. In short i have no idea what you tried to say. :rofl:

 

[unmerged(47177)]

Schleswig-Holstein and Bavaria were the only two things written in German there.

 

[Kami888]

Main page is updated with download of the mod the way it currently looks like.
Call it Beta 0.1 or something :rofl:

Schleswig-Holstein and Bavaria were the only two things written in German there.

And the rest is in Estonian I presume. :rofl: