Distinguishing between WADs and BUGs (?)

[Commander666]

What is greatly unknown is what Guanxi Clique does.

I'm sorry I mentioned Guanxi Clique. The problem at Rangoon existed years before Guanxi Clique was created. The territory was then Portugal's - who is not a puppet but alliance partner.

What might greatly simply the situation is getting rid of your enclaves Fuzhou and Bao'an.

Well, yes, that would instantly eliminate the situation as no depot would remain. Except:

• Fuzhou is being built up as an interceptor base and, while the 8 level base is there already and I can always drop more naval bases to increase ESE even if owned by another, I would have to cancel the current infra construction program which is getting further ESE increase.
• Bao'an needs to be German or the whole conquest plan there will fail. It is assumed that IJN will have naval superiority in the China Sea initially, but I need to take out their INTs at Hong Kong - quickly. While I can easily win the attack on Hong Kong in any circumstance, the IJN can stop my units from ever reaching H.K. So I have 1 PAR dedicated to drop on H.K. Unless Bao'an is German, an airborne landing on H.K. will result in H.K going to either Portugal or Guanxi Clique. If I dared do an amphibious assault given the IJN, that would also result in H.K going to Portugal or Guanxi Clique regardless if it is Germans landing first. It is only the presence of a "German Bao'an" that will cause H.K to become German controlled. And, as I can't get either Portugal or Guanxi Clique to give me their H,K until after Japan is annexed, I am left with a major naval base at the whims of inferior puppet or partner to supply it for the huge fleets that plan to base there.

I think it would be simpler to just cancel the 2 convoys and forget about it. Will write this one off as a bug. Thanks.

But to clarify, Rangoon convoy shipping nothing has existed for years before I even had China conquered. Actually, I can double check that.

 

[Commander666]

Problem at Rangoon has existed since India was liberated and so created my Burma enclave. NOTE: Japan is same color as India, and Siam is Japan's puppet. Republic of China exists as independent country.

The Rangoon convoy always read "nothing", IIRC.

EDIT: I can use this old file save to do whatever you might suggest to test. The problem exists as of this circa.

 

[Pang Bingxun]

The figures would fit an explanation depending on the puppet. What happens if you end your mastery over India?

Edit: The small enclave you have there has the ic to consume more energy than it produces. But it produces much more metal than it can consume. Rares are near steady state.

Edit2: Try setting up a different route. Say Rangoon to Brest. Istanbul may be a bad choice and the cause for the problem.

 

[Commander666]

Afterwards for most of the time it was set-up as Rangoon to Antalya as that is the shortest (18 merchantmen). However, Rangoon to Athens - which should be an excellent route thru ex-Yugoslavia to Berlin as it has a line of German owned provinces - was also used a long time. All routes have identical problem, including the very long Rangoon to Brest (28 merchantmen).

But releasing India had immediate effect. The depot at Rangoon disappeared. Letting game run several days, still no depot even though the enclave daily produces nearly 1 energy, ~ 1/2 rare and over 2 metal (plus some oil that could be getting consumed locally). Convoy was cancelled while watching if any depot would reappear in the Burma enclave. Nothing even a week later.

India, meanwhile, is doing fine.

Theory: The released Indians are stealing my Burma resources (joke).

I am inclined to think that my game is probably corrupted given the other "bugs" seen - which I have not gotten around to mentioning yet.

 

[Commander666]

UPDATE:
So I applied Pang's "Manchuria Theory" to my current game where I already have Guangxi Clique as a puppet. Releasing puppet India did not fix the problem discussed regarding the Rangoon resource convoy. So I released Guangxi Clique next. No change either. Then I released Sinkiang (which also borders on my Burma enclave) and immediately the resources at Rangoon depot disappeared. Quite a lot of supplies had accumulated, and now the convoys reads daily it is shipping that. All is OK. It was the puppets.

 

[Commander666]

NEW BUG?

Achieved Surface-to-Air Missile and also Turbojet CAG. Both items remain "greyed out". Their buttons did not go blue so can not start research on either. Is this a BUG or WAD... like could I possibly be missing some pre-requisite? Don't think so with Event for Secret weapon.

I don't care about the missile but is there a way to mod the turbo CAG button so it works? I did reload to get event again. Same thing - research button not active.

AS REGARDS THE ABOVE (Rangoon depot) actually all is not OK. There is no longer any depot at all even though the Burma enclave produces resources. Who is stealing the resources? I guess that is better than having a depot with a convoy that takes nothing. It is easier - no depot - no convoy - no resources accumulating in Burma. Only air bases proliferating trying to jam in more bombers!

 

[Pang Bingxun]

NEW BUG?

Achieved Surface-to-Air Missile and also Turbojet CAG. Both items remain "greyed out". Their buttons did not go blue so can not start research on either. Is this a BUG or WAD... like could I possibly be missing some pre-requisite?

You need to have CV1947.

Effectively this mean that you will get both Turbojet CAGs in short succession.

AS REGARDS THE ABOVE (Rangoon depot) actually all is not OK. There is no longer any depot at all even though the Burma enclave produces resources. Who is stealing the resources?

You are. Your ic in Chongqing is so high that it absorbs many resources. So in fact everything is actually OK.

 

[Commander666]

Thanks. No problem then as I nearly got CV-1947.

And for the surface-to-air missile, does one need a more modern Anti-Air Brigade than I got? I never advanced that weapon type. Or is it perhaps Static Anti-Air-1948 that is needed (which I almost have)?

That is great about the resources being absorbed. So much easier than convoys. However, I would imagine that building additional factories at Chongqing (currently at 28ic base, Effective 66.6%, 19ic) would not be a good choice to capitalize on concentration bonus - compared to the last choice in Europe where I am doing that. With Berlin at the top of the list, I made my cut-off to include Oppeln (11ic base, effective 144.3%, 16ic).

For comparison to thinking that Chongqing is not a candidate to invest in more factories, I decided against investing in Paris because its stats are 23ic base, effective 64.0%, 15ic. Am I right to think that the investment at Oppeln is considerably better than either Chongqing or Paris would be?

 

[Pang Bingxun]

And for the surface-to-air missile, does one need a more modern Anti-Air Brigade than I got? I never advanced that weapon type. Or is it perhaps Static Anti-Air-1948 that is needed (which I almost have)?

Obviously the later. SAM increases the Static Anti-Air Artillery.

currently at 28ic base, Effective 66.6%, 19i

base ic is what determines the amount of tech slots.

Your last screenshot indicates that effective ic = base ic x 1.45.

base ic depends on the amount of factories. In your case that seems to be 28 factories at 200% Infra which results in a base ic of up to 46.592. That is at an effectiveness of 166.4%. Not being a national provinces you get huge mali. 28 factories times 66.6% effectivess = 18.648 base ic.

You could increase effectiveness by switching Ministers of Security to prince of terror. Currently you only get 40% of what national provinces would get.

Right now you only get 0.4 x(48.633-46.633)=0.4x2.041=0.8164 base ic per factory. Any national provinces at 200% Infra will give you more than 1.3 base ic per factory. From 11 to 12 factories it will be 1.599 base ic increase.