So, any special reason as to why i'm getting -13 malus here? Calais is a core province. Do i have to place my capital at Calais to be able to diplo-vassalize GB?
Distance between borders
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Move capital to Calias did nothing. I find this hilarious in a non-funny that i get -13 malus because of the water but if you play England you do not have any problems in making entire island HRE land if you are elected emeperor.
Just in case, save and reload. This is known to be required for vassals counting towards borders. Shouldn't apply for your own cores but may as well try.
Capital makes no difference within same continent.
For a lot information and test results regarding this modifier see this thread from this post onwards http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?740029-distance-between-borders&p=16550404&viewfull=1#post16550404
Capital makes no difference within same continent.
For a lot information and test results regarding this modifier see this thread from this post onwards http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?740029-distance-between-borders&p=16550404&viewfull=1#post16550404
One has nothing to do with the other. And your provinces are simply not touching, so there is a distance between them.
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I've diplovassilized GB in that exact situation with no distance malus. It seems to me, in my own possibly biased experience, that the vassalization equation is a bit buggy. Sometimes you get distance between borders, sometimes not. By far the worst offense is the military power modifier.
I've had 300K to GB 60K and had like -8 military power. After a few months it will seemingly randomly change to +20 without any meaningful change in troop numbers. This is probably related to a known bug with the military power calculation.
It's not unreasonable to assume "distance between borders" may be bugged as well.
I've had 300K to GB 60K and had like -8 military power. After a few months it will seemingly randomly change to +20 without any meaningful change in troop numbers. This is probably related to a known bug with the military power calculation.
It's not unreasonable to assume "distance between borders" may be bugged as well.
If you have, then that's the bug, not this. There is a distance modifier for going across any water, only direct land to land borders between your target and you or one of your subjects give 0 modifier. So you probably already had Denmark/Norway as a vassal, while they still owned Orkney.
The only known bug with "distance between borders" is that it doesn't update the overseas status of a border without reloading, but that's only relevant for royal marriages.
if saveing and reloading won't help i would suggest you to attempt selling GB a province next to you, wait till they core it and then vassalize.
I definitely did not have any bordering vassals. I had basically the same land as the OP. Aren't some sea-border provinces considered "neighboring" provinces. I mean you can fabricate claims...
I have the same experience with offering alliances etc. From what I have noticed the distance between borders modifier sometimes disappears while the target nation is at war, but that won't be helpful for diploannexing. I used this exact tactic to ally GB and France as the Aztecs, yes you read correctly. It got something like -100 for each respectively but during war it went away, I got relations up and they accepted. Even got a RM with a noble republic GB lol.
I remember in a previous Ryukyu game, where my capital was in Central America, that the penalty was there, then gone, then there again with France.
It might have been coincidence, but their attitude was friendly when the penalty was absent, and it was not when the penalty was there; I just assumed that was the explanation.
Do you remember how France and GB's attitude towards you evolved during that time?
yes, actually now that you mention it, I think you are right. But their attitude towards me is indirectly reflected by whom they are at war with (ie rival that is also my rival), i think. At least it seems that way, because for both of them i managed to get the alliance while they were at war.
Two bugs, or maybe two manifestations of the same bug, but one case not mentioned here ( I know you know; for the thread) - any Distance Between Borders calculation will not update for new subject nations (vassals, PUs) until reload. And it won't update for changes in Overseas status, e.g. when you cut your nation off from a land border between Europe and Asia.
Bug thread: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...odifier-doesn-t-update-for-vassals-until-load
But London to Calais is not 'overseas'. It's same continent. This seems a different case. In our many rounds of testing I don't think we tested going across water but within the same continent? E.g. the London to Calais. Did you then test that subsequently? Well I suppose whether you did or didn't, it's shown by this thread!
It's another bizarre aspect to this modifier if one-sea-province gap fails to give the 0 modifier when it does for similar mechanics, like HRE.
I'll update my master Rules post accordingly.
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Rules for Distance between Borders calculations
I already linked the following thread once, seemingly to no effect. Perhaps it needs a little more introduction.
A week ago, Schmoe and I spent several hours testing and detailing the complicated set of calculations and edge-cases used for Distance Between Borders calculations, for both DipVassalisation and Royal Marriages.
A summary of all the rules and calculations is in the following post:
Rules for Distance between Borders calculations - DipVassalisation and RM
One thing we originally missed was - as raised here in this thread - that the modifier will never be 0 across a sea province, even when this counts as 'bordering' for other mechanics. I have now updated that in the above linked Rules summary, and so that post should now be up-to-date with current knowledge.
I already linked the following thread once, seemingly to no effect. Perhaps it needs a little more introduction.
A week ago, Schmoe and I spent several hours testing and detailing the complicated set of calculations and edge-cases used for Distance Between Borders calculations, for both DipVassalisation and Royal Marriages.
A summary of all the rules and calculations is in the following post:
Rules for Distance between Borders calculations - DipVassalisation and RM
One thing we originally missed was - as raised here in this thread - that the modifier will never be 0 across a sea province, even when this counts as 'bordering' for other mechanics. I have now updated that in the above linked Rules summary, and so that post should now be up-to-date with current knowledge.
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