Disputing Succession

[tuareg109]

So I'm playing as Ireland and I gave the County of Isle of Man to a courtier with a claim on the Duchy of Lancaster just before winning the war.
The Duchy of Lancaster is now in my realm, all is fine, and I revoke County of Isle of Man. The Duke of Lancaster is still my vassal.
One de jure Lancaster county is in the clutches of the Duke of York, and I didn't receive it at war's end.

THEN he dies...and his successor becomes a 3-county count, a vassal to the Duke of York!
What the hell! And the Duke of York holds the title Duchy of Lancaster, despite not being of the same dynasty, and not having been shown as successor. In fact, the Duchy of Lancaster is the only title the Duke of York inherited, and him only holding one de jure county in that Duchy.
To be clearer, the current 3-county count (who should be a Duke) was INSIDE my realm before inheriting; he was my vassal's courtier.

On his holding screen there's a shield with "CB" on it titled "Dispute Succession", but there's nothing I can do with it.
It doesn't appear when I go to Declare War on the King of England, it doesn't appear anywhere.
What can I do?

 

[Dracko81]

I'd say they were probably 2nd or 3rd in line to the title, some smart assasinations on their part and boom he inherits the duchy title.

Can't really tell whats caused it after the succession without much hair pulling, reload a save and try to find out what happened.

 

[tuareg109]

I'd say they were probably 2nd or 3rd in line to the title, some smart assasinations on their part and boom he inherits the duchy title.

Can't really tell whats caused it after the succession without much hair pulling, reload a save and try to find out what happened.

He didn't assassinate anybody; the guy who was first in line holds three counties, BUT is under vassalage of the man who inherited the Duchy of Lancaster.
I still don't understand, because England is under Agnatic-Cognatic Primogeniture, and looking through the dynasty trees I can see that the 3-county count was definitely supposed to inherit. The Duke of York isn't even of the same dynasty, as I mentioned.

 

[Dracko81]

Did the Duke of York have a claim? Did the Duke of Lancaster have any vassal counts?

Perhaps there was a faction to give the duchy to the other duke.

There is many ways things can happen...I can not see your game, so only guesses will do.

 

[tuareg109]

Did the Duke of York have a claim? Did the Duke of Lancaster have any vassal counts?

Perhaps there was a faction to give the duchy to the other duke.

There is many ways things can happen...I can not see your game, so only guesses will do.

The Duke of York did have a claim.

The Duke of Lancaster had no county-level vassals (he held 3 counties in demesne, and mayors and bishops beneath him).

I am playing without LoR; no factions are present, and the Duchy of Lancaster went to the Duke of York the day that the Duke of Lancaster died. There was no war, no plot, no usurpations, nothing.

 

[Dracko81]

V1.06 had some issues with succession. Most were fixed with v1.07. Factions are not a part of LoR but a new feature.

 

[tuareg109]

V1.06 had some issues with succession. Most were fixed with v1.07. Factions are not a part of LoR but a new feature.

Actually I'm with 1.05g. I have CK2 from Steam but don't like playing with the factions of 1.07 or the superman Muslims of 1.06, so I found a free download.
But I see what you mean, 1.05g probably had issues as well.

 

[mr_human_555]

Hold on; you said you are Ireland? And if I'm not mistaken Lancaster is dejure England?

Then maybe your vassal simply like the duke of Lancaster more than you, and use the "Swear Fealty" option available if that person is the dejure liege of your vassal, which in this case is correct. (Your vassal SHOULD be part of the duchy of Lancaster, but YOU are his liege. Thus he have the option to betray you and return under the duke of Lancaster)

And if I'm not mistaken you should get claims on the titles of your traitorous vassal? Can you press those claims to the King of England?

 

[grumphie]

Actually I'm with 1.05g. I have CK2 from Steam but don't like playing with the factions of 1.07 or the superman Muslims of 1.06, so I found a free download.
But I see what you mean, 1.05g probably had issues as well.

well, if youre going with a old version, dotn whine about things that are strange. thats what patches are for.

 

[tuareg109]

Hold on; you said you are Ireland? And if I'm not mistaken Lancaster is dejure England?

Then maybe your vassal simply like the duke of Lancaster more than you, and use the "Swear Fealty" option available if that person is the dejure liege of your vassal, which in this case is correct. (Your vassal SHOULD be part of the duchy of Lancaster, but YOU are his liege. Thus he have the option to betray you and return under the duke of Lancaster)

And if I'm not mistaken you should get claims on the titles of your traitorous vassal? Can you press those claims to the King of England?

No no no, my vassal IS the Duke of Lancaster, there is no de jure liege for him except the King of England. When my vassal died, THAT's when his successor inherited all of his counties, but NOT the Duchy. The Duchy of Lancaster was inherited by the Duke of York, who became my should-be vassal's liege.

I mean, I guess that my vassal's successor could have sworn fealty to the Duke of York immediately, but WHY did he lose his duchy?

And no I got no claims upon that succession. The only claims I have on England are a courtier with a claim on Somerset, and one with a claim on Oxford.

 

[mr_human_555]

Let's see... what's the succession law of Lancaster? And do your previous duke have close family ties with the duke of York?

 

[Comradebot]

Kinda sounds like a bug.

 

[Dracko81]

Kinda sounds like a bug.

Probably, but its probably also been patched since 1.05, so its almost impossible to replicate the issue or find out what happened.

 

[tuareg109]

Let's see... what's the succession law of Lancaster? And do your previous duke have close family ties with the duke of York?

Lancaster is Agnatic-Cognatic Primogeniture, looking in the family tree I see that the current should-be duke is the cousin of my vassal.
The Duke of York is the grandson of their great-great-grandmother. That's the closest familial tie I could find.
The should-be duke has a daughter who is married to my son, I thought that she would inherit after he died.