Is there any logic as to when an army disintegrates. I mean, i send an army of like 20K men and they lose.Sometimes they will retreat and sometimes they just disintegrate.
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Well I noticed when you have lots of calvary there is a good chance of wiping out the army.
Read the combat FAQs in the FAQ forum they may help you understand what is happening.
how about this example
i had about 130k total 60k men 50k cavalry 100 artiklery a good leader and attacked an army of about 75k mostly men no leader. i lost and my army disappeared.
that was an older version but it still hurt as my grand army vanished
i had about 130k total 60k men 50k cavalry 100 artiklery a good leader and attacked an army of about 75k mostly men no leader. i lost and my army disappeared.
that was an older version but it still hurt as my grand army vanished 
a sad loss no doubt.
somebody may provide a good explanation for this -
perhaps an outbreak of pacifism led to them all desrting?
Heretic
somebody may provide a good explanation for this -
perhaps an outbreak of pacifism led to them all desrting?
Heretic
This is sumtin that always bothered me until I got a CRT mod. I mean, armies were almost never totally annihilated, they would flee before that happened. With the mod by SoapyFrog, the battles are much more realistic, IMO.
Maybe the army that disappeared had nowhere to retreat? Was it on an island, for example?
Originally posted by jacob-Lundgren
my army attacked from my prov to someone elses. it had many ways to retreat to
They were probably keeping enough morale during the battle, while loosing men due to (maybe) lower land tech level than the enemy, or terrain disadvantage, or both.
AFAIK an army retreats when it's panicked, if at that point some men remain then the army retreats, otherwise it's cancelled from the map (for example, the number of men reached 0 at "disciplined" morale level).
I hope this helps.
The logic is that the army falls apart if overrun by cavalry; if there's nowhere to retreat to then you can imagine them being wiped out / taken prisoner. Usually some will flee to a neighbouring province, where they may panic again if they meet any enemy force before they get chance to get organised.
As for the casualties point, we've discussed this before; it may well be true that casualties were generally only in the 10 - 25% range in the EU era but you have to remember that the numbers of troops are pretty unrealistic anyway and the whole combat thing is just a representation. If you like, imagine mass desertions following a rout.
As for the casualties point, we've discussed this before; it may well be true that casualties were generally only in the 10 - 25% range in the EU era but you have to remember that the numbers of troops are pretty unrealistic anyway and the whole combat thing is just a representation. If you like, imagine mass desertions following a rout.
Historically it is true that actual battlefield casualty rates were pretty low (<25%), but when an army fled the field it often disintegrated due to a mixture of desertion, abandoned equipment (artillery was hard to retreat with), soldiers being seperated from leaders, lost logistics trains, etc.. If the victor had cavalry, all of these things were exaggerated.
So the game is right in inflicting punitive damages on a defeated army. Napolean in particular was a master of exploiting narrow tactical victories to turn them into massive strategic victories - witness the annihilation of the Prussia army after the comparatively small battles of Jena & Auerstadt. One of the secrets of the Dutch resistance was that they were always able to keep an army in being no matter how many battles they lost, in large part due to the nature of their terrain (it was easy to hide behind the next line of dikes).
So the game is right in inflicting punitive damages on a defeated army. Napolean in particular was a master of exploiting narrow tactical victories to turn them into massive strategic victories - witness the annihilation of the Prussia army after the comparatively small battles of Jena & Auerstadt. One of the secrets of the Dutch resistance was that they were always able to keep an army in being no matter how many battles they lost, in large part due to the nature of their terrain (it was easy to hide behind the next line of dikes).
But the problem is morale never reaches minimum, since the army is annihilated before that.