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An earlier start is generally more advantageuos to the great powers, since they get more out from groving a few extra years. If there was a historical scenario for 1453 I wouldn't be against trying it, but Bocaj's differ a lot from PE's in this respect. Another experimental game with Bocaj's sholdn't be called dbd4, but chill3. (PE's need some fixing, mainly with the right Chinese cultures, otherwise China will be too weak.)
As to the problem of very rich colonial powers dividing the world, and that can sometimes make for a dull game; I have two ideas:
One is the previously used one to not allow colonisation east of South Africa prior to some year that make sense historically. This was tried and I think Indonesia was left, as well as the Indian COT's, for a bit longer. Competition was fiercer on the western hemisphere.
The other idea to make a for more evenly distributed wealth would be to give all nations knowledge of certains COT's at pre-set dates. The knowledge of western US, Indian and Chinese COT's diffused out to merchants from all of Europe much faster than is portrayed by the game. As it is some of them can be unknown far too long, giving unfair advantages to the colonial powers longer than actually happened. Ideaelly more map knowledge should be distributed this way, but I don't think we can find a GM that would take on this task. To give away COT knowledge would go a long way though.
As to the problem of very rich colonial powers dividing the world, and that can sometimes make for a dull game; I have two ideas:
One is the previously used one to not allow colonisation east of South Africa prior to some year that make sense historically. This was tried and I think Indonesia was left, as well as the Indian COT's, for a bit longer. Competition was fiercer on the western hemisphere.
The other idea to make a for more evenly distributed wealth would be to give all nations knowledge of certains COT's at pre-set dates. The knowledge of western US, Indian and Chinese COT's diffused out to merchants from all of Europe much faster than is portrayed by the game. As it is some of them can be unknown far too long, giving unfair advantages to the colonial powers longer than actually happened. Ideaelly more map knowledge should be distributed this way, but I don't think we can find a GM that would take on this task. To give away COT knowledge would go a long way though.
Yeah Chill is the uber game going on mondays 
An other idea would be to lessen the income from trade. I believe this can be done in Ryokens.
An other idea would be to lessen the income from trade. I believe this can be done in Ryokens.
Is Spain forced to stay in vassalization or can i break it to resume the Napoleonic war?
Well I can play as I wrote earlier. But it may be only us three Swedes... you, Mulli and myself.
If we play I am sure Juv will be here as one of the contenders for the winner title. Perhaps Forzaa also, he is in a good position vs me.
If we play I am sure Juv will be here as one of the contenders for the winner title. Perhaps Forzaa also, he is in a good position vs me.
Mulliman said:
According to post 1 you are unfortunately forced to stay as vassal for 20 years. Thus you have to fight your war vs FRA by indirect means.
We missed random leaders last session. And if noone makes any contribuation we will miss them this week as well.
I get the impression that our GM has quit his own game. We do not even have a post from his since the 8th of June where he says
KingJohn said:
Well, that covers the session last week and the session before.
Last week we needed help with random leaders and organising the game. We succeeded in the latter part but not the first (for the simple reason we forgot about it).
This week we need the same two things.
I find it quite remarkable that the GM "deserts" his own game despite playing on in other games, i.e. he is still in the EU MP community.
One gets the impression that he quit because he got vassalised.
Daniel A said:According to post 1 you are unfortunately forced to stay as vassal for 20 years. Thus you have to fight your war vs FRA by indirect means.
We missed random leaders last session. And if noone makes any contribuation we will miss them this week as well.
I get the impression that our GM has quit his own game. We do not even have a post from his since the 8th of June where he says
Well, that covers the session last week and the session before.
Last week we needed help with random leaders and organising the game. We succeeded in the latter part but not the first (for the simple reason we forgot about it).
This week we need the same two things.
I find it quite remarkable that the GM "deserts" his own game despite playing on in other games, i.e. he is still in the EU MP community.
One gets the impression that he quit because he got vassalised.
My country is still one of the top contenders, so I don't think that is a valid reason. I won't be able to play again today either I'm afraid, sorry. I'll get leaders generator on the stats page though.
Lots of stuff since last week. Ill try to comment on a few things.
France stuck to the agreement where if Austria gave Milan back she would not participate in war vs Austria. When HOL attacked Spain (How many times have Spain attacked HOL the last decades?) France saw an opportunity of paying Spain back for invading France during the last war. Austria should harldy count on many more French services after backstabbing her for Milan and only returning it after the threat of war. Further threats from Austrias side will hardly improve those already strained relations.
It seems France's enemies forget that France has waged literally NO offensive wars. Only when fighting to regain land lost in previous wars or to establish her current borders have wars been fought, usually against superior alliances. Portraying ALL of France's neighbours as victims is rather ridiculous since it would have been almost impossible to bully so many powerful nations around.
As for non-europena nations they usually turn out immense due to only facing AI nations and gain importance out of proportion for the asian campaign.
The great nations will "win" every single game but as I see it a minor nation that performs uncharacteristically good could well be regarded as the winner. In our current campaign, which has been an even one, most nations have performed about average. A few worse, Venice fx and a few better, Prussia fx. I think this comparative situation should determine whos the winner and not the most VP's although one should go for a high VP as well.
I will show up at 19.00 CET tonight to finish the campaign if we all are in for it.
France stuck to the agreement where if Austria gave Milan back she would not participate in war vs Austria. When HOL attacked Spain (How many times have Spain attacked HOL the last decades?) France saw an opportunity of paying Spain back for invading France during the last war. Austria should harldy count on many more French services after backstabbing her for Milan and only returning it after the threat of war. Further threats from Austrias side will hardly improve those already strained relations.
It seems France's enemies forget that France has waged literally NO offensive wars. Only when fighting to regain land lost in previous wars or to establish her current borders have wars been fought, usually against superior alliances. Portraying ALL of France's neighbours as victims is rather ridiculous since it would have been almost impossible to bully so many powerful nations around.
As for non-europena nations they usually turn out immense due to only facing AI nations and gain importance out of proportion for the asian campaign.
The great nations will "win" every single game but as I see it a minor nation that performs uncharacteristically good could well be regarded as the winner. In our current campaign, which has been an even one, most nations have performed about average. A few worse, Venice fx and a few better, Prussia fx. I think this comparative situation should determine whos the winner and not the most VP's although one should go for a high VP as well.
I will show up at 19.00 CET tonight to finish the campaign if we all are in for it.
On second thought, I think I can play today, considering there are only eight years left. That shouldn't take much more than two hours, right?
King John said:On second thought, I think I can play today, considering there are only eight years left. That shouldn't take much more than two hours, right?
I wouldn't count on that.. given that we managed a whopping 11 years last session (and we didn't start unreasonably late, nor end particularly early)
ForzaA said:
I should be able to host if that's an issue. I suppose you had a lot of trouble with CTD's, assuming you didn't go on vs the whole time
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Good to see you back KJ
Please remember to edit in the random leaders.
IIRC we played on SLOW for the entire session last Wednesday.
Let us see how many turns up tonight. I doubt we will have a game unless someone starts ICQing all the players (and I am at work still so I cannot do that).
All that has not yet told us if they will play or not: Please do so in the thread.
Please remember to edit in the random leaders.
IIRC we played on SLOW for the entire session last Wednesday.
Let us see how many turns up tonight. I doubt we will have a game unless someone starts ICQing all the players (and I am at work still so I cannot do that).
All that has not yet told us if they will play or not: Please do so in the thread.
Lord Ganja said:
EEK! Not what I would've done, definitely
. Might've diplo'd the Germans, but Poland was out of the question. You've made my lean fighting machine undefendable and fat .Erz was a logical step, if a little cliche. A more prodigious move would be to try to take Southern German provs.
Apparently my internet has been blocked as of this afternoon, Telia saying on her automatic response that my machine has been the host of spam mails and such ilk. Access has been restricted to using the browser and nothing more. This has happened once before, so i know what i shall do to open it up, but thanks to the absolutely brilliantly slow service of my internet provider, i doubt that it will be fixed today.
Mulliman said:
well.. you (and your brother) have had a lot of trouble keeping decently connected, so I wouldn't be too surprised if spam was being sent from your PC, honestly.
I wont be able to play today either
As i will be working longer then expected (I'm at work now) and i will not be home before 22.30-23.00 CET.
Sweden can be AI the last years i suppose, if no sub is found.
As i will be working longer then expected (I'm at work now) and i will not be home before 22.30-23.00 CET.
Sweden can be AI the last years i suppose, if no sub is found.
Indeed. I suspect that my periodic instabiliy has alot to do with spyware and trojans and all that filth.ForzaA said: