After concluding peace with the Emperor for Erz, Brandenburg reopens its claims to Koln and Pfalz, which the Mark was forced to cede when the French threatened war over them earlier, taking opportunity of Brandenburg's time of weakness.
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HOLLAND 1648-1662
In the last minute Holland and Portugal agreed on a deal concerning colonies and instead of another war, most likelly devastating for Portugal, a peaceful solution was found.
Portugal got a considerable sum of money and used it to construct the world seccond largest warship navy, while investing all the regular income in naval technology.
Holland officially declares she has no intentions to use force against Portugal any more, nor does she particularly care for any more Portuguese land. In fact, Holland wishes to be clear Portugal should not be allowed to face the Danish destiny. Portugal should remain an independent local power. Therefore Holland would strongly suggest to all to honour the territorial integrity of Portuguese European mainland and Brazil.
The last 15 years were rather violent in Europe, so only part of the agreements Holland signed actually were materialised: the mentioned one with Portugal, the one with Spain (ending vassalisation in the process) and the secret one with Brandenburg regarding Muenster. The deal with England and France about colonies is still to be finalised.
The economy is good, VOC basing it's one on massive colonisation and expansion, while VWC is more oriented on manufactories.
Other foreign relations. Some nations were generously funded. Some are, regardless, very stiff when giving something in return, Sweden for example.
In the last minute Holland and Portugal agreed on a deal concerning colonies and instead of another war, most likelly devastating for Portugal, a peaceful solution was found.
Portugal got a considerable sum of money and used it to construct the world seccond largest warship navy, while investing all the regular income in naval technology.
Holland officially declares she has no intentions to use force against Portugal any more, nor does she particularly care for any more Portuguese land. In fact, Holland wishes to be clear Portugal should not be allowed to face the Danish destiny. Portugal should remain an independent local power. Therefore Holland would strongly suggest to all to honour the territorial integrity of Portuguese European mainland and Brazil.
The last 15 years were rather violent in Europe, so only part of the agreements Holland signed actually were materialised: the mentioned one with Portugal, the one with Spain (ending vassalisation in the process) and the secret one with Brandenburg regarding Muenster. The deal with England and France about colonies is still to be finalised.
The economy is good, VOC basing it's one on massive colonisation and expansion, while VWC is more oriented on manufactories.
Other foreign relations. Some nations were generously funded. Some are, regardless, very stiff when giving something in return, Sweden for example.
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France is looking to resolve its current issues with hostile nations in a mutually satisfying way. France then plans to isolate itself from wordly business, so harsh to the French people, constantly at war for centuries.
France has nothing against preserving Portuguese territorial integrity but will not risk more war doing so as the matter stands at the moment.
France has nothing against preserving Portuguese territorial integrity but will not risk more war doing so as the matter stands at the moment.
Denmark 1648 - 1662
Even worse that the last session. The evil Sweden desided that it was Denmarks fault that they lost their TP's in NA, and took the rest of Norway and Holstein from a defensless Denmark. Denmark only took Nippising, so that it's 4 other colonies would not all be exposed.
Once again, no help from France, who was supposed to be our friends, but for some reason has given up the european continent.
Russia didn't want us in the alliance, and a diplomatic letter was by accident sent to the danish guvenor, where Russia and Sweden made at deal, that Polotsk went to Russia, in return of a non-interferiance from Russia when Sweden DOW'et.
But despite all this misfortune, being late in all techs, Denmark managed to increase trade substantially, so that the income has increased with more than 50 ducats a year. And this with 5 primary provinses lost.
Even worse that the last session. The evil Sweden desided that it was Denmarks fault that they lost their TP's in NA, and took the rest of Norway and Holstein from a defensless Denmark. Denmark only took Nippising, so that it's 4 other colonies would not all be exposed.
Once again, no help from France, who was supposed to be our friends, but for some reason has given up the european continent.
Russia didn't want us in the alliance, and a diplomatic letter was by accident sent to the danish guvenor, where Russia and Sweden made at deal, that Polotsk went to Russia, in return of a non-interferiance from Russia when Sweden DOW'et.
But despite all this misfortune, being late in all techs, Denmark managed to increase trade substantially, so that the income has increased with more than 50 ducats a year. And this with 5 primary provinses lost.
Aladar said:
This might have had something to do with being in a war for my survival against Sweden, from whom I admittedly tried to take land to give to Denmark, and England, not leaving much resources to aid Denmark more than already done. Something very quickly forgotten one must notice. Extensive subsidiaries, land donations in the new world and going to war to maintain those claims regarded as "Once again, no help from France..." is offensive to our ears to hear. Maybe it's the new Danish ruler that should ask himself in what manner he choose to employ his meager means rather than to blame a faithful friend for his misfortunes?
Sweden
1648 - 1662
The Canadian war
The Swedish Queen, Kristina, was shocked when the news arraived to Stockholm that French troops had attacked Swedish settlements in northern canada. The news that Swedish tradingposts along the French border had been burned to the ground with all its citizens there slaughted like cattles made the Queen furious and immediately ordered Swedish troops to be shipped over to Johansstad outside the Hudson bay in Northern America.
The Swedish "counter attack"
The orders were clear, to push back the French from Swedish claimed land and preferably claim new land to the Swedish crown.
Unfortunately, the Swedish navy, around 30 ships, was forced out to the sea when French troops occupied Johansstad. The mighty French armada with hundreds of ships attacked and turned the proud swedish war ships and transports into sinking submarines. The swedish hope to retake canada in this war was hereby lost.
The war of liberation
In the same time a costly war was ongoing in Europe. The habsburgs controled Berlin and several other cities of Brandenburg. Only the coast was free from Habsburg occupation. The swedish army was sent to Germany to aid our allies there. Brandenburg was finally free from habsburg occupation a few years later. The swedes was tired of the war, after almost 10 years of fighting with thousands of brave Swedish soldiers dead and with a declining economy that put all its money on military needs instead of profitable merchants. Our german allies honored our request and peaced out the habsburgs.
Unfortunately, they forgot to read the papers before they signed it meaning that France was also included in the peace deal.
The efforts to send new troops to Johansstad to make a final desperate counter attack against the French was therefore a fiasco. France was the winner in the war because they had successfully burned down several Swedish tradingposts and then colonise it themself and also give some of it to Denmark.
Karl X Gustavs vision
This would not be forgotten, the danes cooperating with the french was unaccaptable. After that Kristina abdicated to Rome and the catholic church a new monarch entered the swedish throne. Karl X Gustav's (later to be called; the warrior king) main goal was to punish Denmark for there impure cooperation with the French. This new pro France policy in Denmark was a major threat towards Swedish future security and actions had to be taken.
Karl X Gustav's vision, of a greater scandinavia ruled by a Swedish king is to be the policy from now on. It is our responsibility to liberate Denmark from there crazy king.
The liberation of Norway and Holstein
The first step of a united scandinavia was to be written in the history books.
Karl X Gustavs main army in Skåne was prepering to invade Copenhagen, the very heart of the Danish kingdom. In the meantime, the swedish general Carl Gustav Wrangels army was to invade Norway.
The goal was 5 months, Denmark capitulated after 7 months.
The Danish fate is to join the Swedish reich, it is now just a matter of time.
The second canadian war
A new war was unavoidable, French troops still occupied Swedish claimed land. An army leaded by Lt.General Von Ascheberg was sent to Johansstad in order to recapture lost land from the last war.
The war was very successful at start and the French were pushed back down to central parts of canada. However, with the lack of Swedish reinforcments despite that all available swedish transports was ordered into shuttle service between Gothenburg and Johansstad the war turned into French favour.
The Swedes did however successfuly burn down several French tradingposts all the way down to Florida. This also meant that France was unable to launch further attacks against Swedish settlements along the Hudson bay.
Diplomatic efforts to end this war is ongoing as we speak. Sweden is in a good possition to get a favourable peace in this war.
Karl X Gustav, king of Sweden and protector of greater scandinavia.
1648 - 1662
The Canadian war
The Swedish Queen, Kristina, was shocked when the news arraived to Stockholm that French troops had attacked Swedish settlements in northern canada. The news that Swedish tradingposts along the French border had been burned to the ground with all its citizens there slaughted like cattles made the Queen furious and immediately ordered Swedish troops to be shipped over to Johansstad outside the Hudson bay in Northern America.
The Swedish "counter attack"
The orders were clear, to push back the French from Swedish claimed land and preferably claim new land to the Swedish crown.
Unfortunately, the Swedish navy, around 30 ships, was forced out to the sea when French troops occupied Johansstad. The mighty French armada with hundreds of ships attacked and turned the proud swedish war ships and transports into sinking submarines. The swedish hope to retake canada in this war was hereby lost.
The war of liberation
In the same time a costly war was ongoing in Europe. The habsburgs controled Berlin and several other cities of Brandenburg. Only the coast was free from Habsburg occupation. The swedish army was sent to Germany to aid our allies there. Brandenburg was finally free from habsburg occupation a few years later. The swedes was tired of the war, after almost 10 years of fighting with thousands of brave Swedish soldiers dead and with a declining economy that put all its money on military needs instead of profitable merchants. Our german allies honored our request and peaced out the habsburgs.
Unfortunately, they forgot to read the papers before they signed it meaning that France was also included in the peace deal.
The efforts to send new troops to Johansstad to make a final desperate counter attack against the French was therefore a fiasco. France was the winner in the war because they had successfully burned down several Swedish tradingposts and then colonise it themself and also give some of it to Denmark.
Karl X Gustavs vision
This would not be forgotten, the danes cooperating with the french was unaccaptable. After that Kristina abdicated to Rome and the catholic church a new monarch entered the swedish throne. Karl X Gustav's (later to be called; the warrior king) main goal was to punish Denmark for there impure cooperation with the French. This new pro France policy in Denmark was a major threat towards Swedish future security and actions had to be taken.
Karl X Gustav's vision, of a greater scandinavia ruled by a Swedish king is to be the policy from now on. It is our responsibility to liberate Denmark from there crazy king.
The liberation of Norway and Holstein
The first step of a united scandinavia was to be written in the history books.
Karl X Gustavs main army in Skåne was prepering to invade Copenhagen, the very heart of the Danish kingdom. In the meantime, the swedish general Carl Gustav Wrangels army was to invade Norway.
The goal was 5 months, Denmark capitulated after 7 months.
The Danish fate is to join the Swedish reich, it is now just a matter of time.
The second canadian war
A new war was unavoidable, French troops still occupied Swedish claimed land. An army leaded by Lt.General Von Ascheberg was sent to Johansstad in order to recapture lost land from the last war.
The war was very successful at start and the French were pushed back down to central parts of canada. However, with the lack of Swedish reinforcments despite that all available swedish transports was ordered into shuttle service between Gothenburg and Johansstad the war turned into French favour.
The Swedes did however successfuly burn down several French tradingposts all the way down to Florida. This also meant that France was unable to launch further attacks against Swedish settlements along the Hudson bay.
Diplomatic efforts to end this war is ongoing as we speak. Sweden is in a good possition to get a favourable peace in this war.
Karl X Gustav, king of Sweden and protector of greater scandinavia.
Unfortunately, they forgot to read the papers before they signed it meaning that France was also included in the peace deal.
The efforts to send new troops to Johansstad to make a final desperate counter attack against the French was therefore a fiasco. France was the winner in the war because they had successfully burned down several Swedish tradingposts and then colonise it themself and also give some of it to Denmark.
Some of it being 1 provinse !!! Can hardly be "some of it" when France burned down like 10 TP's who they settled.
Denmark will never live under the yok of the Swedish King or Queen, may they burn in hell. Rather die in the effort that be dishounered. No matter what this campaign is called.
To France: A faithfull friend??? Last session i took some serious beating from the Swedes and you didn't move a finger. That's not helping.
This session you dow'ed Sweden and fought a war in NA, wellknowing that Sweden would punish me on the european continent. Once again, when Sweden DOW'et no help came from France.
Perhaps if you had included Denmark in your warmongering before the session, a favorable outcome would have been achivable, instead of informing then during the war of your ideas of Danish settlements in NA - a tab to late for it to have any relevance.
No, Denmark regonices the French king for what he is. Only interested in French NA, and only taking advantage of the danish armies who fought for nothing. You have taken advantage of the Danish people for the last time. Better to fight alongside the Swedes than have France commit such treason against the danish people once more.
The efforts to send new troops to Johansstad to make a final desperate counter attack against the French was therefore a fiasco. France was the winner in the war because they had successfully burned down several Swedish tradingposts and then colonise it themself and also give some of it to Denmark.
Some of it being 1 provinse !!! Can hardly be "some of it" when France burned down like 10 TP's who they settled.
Denmark will never live under the yok of the Swedish King or Queen, may they burn in hell. Rather die in the effort that be dishounered. No matter what this campaign is called.
To France: A faithfull friend??? Last session i took some serious beating from the Swedes and you didn't move a finger. That's not helping.
This session you dow'ed Sweden and fought a war in NA, wellknowing that Sweden would punish me on the european continent. Once again, when Sweden DOW'et no help came from France.
Perhaps if you had included Denmark in your warmongering before the session, a favorable outcome would have been achivable, instead of informing then during the war of your ideas of Danish settlements in NA - a tab to late for it to have any relevance.
No, Denmark regonices the French king for what he is. Only interested in French NA, and only taking advantage of the danish armies who fought for nothing. You have taken advantage of the Danish people for the last time. Better to fight alongside the Swedes than have France commit such treason against the danish people once more.
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Well, i hope we will have a DbD4, but considering the low discussion in this thread, i really dont know 
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You are quite ungrateful
.France wasnt going to be able to help you anyway, even if he had invited you to the war. He was fully occupied with the English navy and couuld not hope to send forces east.
But i guess its just an act to get rid of a faithful ally
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Perhaps, but France hasn't answered so it must be true. Or perhaps the thread is simply never read by anyone.
Well, since French official policy is Sweden out of inner Canada, and since part of it is Danish, it would be natural France to help Denmark.
As far as I remember, France did help Denmark in Canada, and she should always be able to do it, because she has large enough recruitment base in her North American colonies.
Helping Denmark in Norway or in Jylland is a bit more tricky though, because either England already was at war against France or she probably threatened she would enter if France pushed too hard.
As for land access to Swedish Germany, the Republic of Netherlands was strictly neutral and didn't allow neither Sweden nor France to use her territory for mutual war activities.
As far as I remember, France did help Denmark in Canada, and she should always be able to do it, because she has large enough recruitment base in her North American colonies.
Helping Denmark in Norway or in Jylland is a bit more tricky though, because either England already was at war against France or she probably threatened she would enter if France pushed too hard.
As for land access to Swedish Germany, the Republic of Netherlands was strictly neutral and didn't allow neither Sweden nor France to use her territory for mutual war activities.
Mulliman said:
Ah, my dear friend, King of mighty Spain, one would indeed agree with you when looking at the map: Russia seems to have a policy of complete isolation, fideing herself behind her vassal-states.
But the picture could in fact be even ore gloomy: could it be that Russia is hopelessly behind in army technology to even contemplate about intervening against Sweden?
Could be, could be. But now she has lost yet another counter against Sweden if she turns east (which there of course is no reason at all for her to do, other than vassalize). I suspect Sweden has had enough of Russia and Russia has had enough of Sweden .
But still, i think there is more reason for Denmark to be pissed at Russia than at France. Russia would have been able to affect the situation alot easier than the French.
.But still, i think there is more reason for Denmark to be pissed at Russia than at France. Russia would have been able to affect the situation alot easier than the French.
Mulliman said:Could be, could be. But now she has lost yet another counter against Sweden if she turns east (which there of course is no reason at all for her to do, other than vassalize). I suspect Sweden has had enough of Russia and Russia has had enough of Sweden
But still, i think there is more reason for Denmark to be pissed at Russia than at France. Russia would have been able to affect the situation alot easier than the French.
Well, look at the situation from the bright side... In fact, Denmark should, both from the bright side and towards the future, forgetting what happened in the past.
The bright side for Denmark is she has ony Jyttland to lose if France is there to help her in Canada and possibe even with Greenland and Iceland.
Official policy of the Republic of Netherlands
The Dutch policy will most likely remain unchanged. We are too weak to allow our self getting involved in the high policy. We also still believe most of the goals can be achieved peacefully, if only timing and approach is correct.
Dutch goal is to be friendly enough to all important powers, so that we are never ever DOWed. Our a bit expansionistic trading companies can at occasions have their own ideas how policy should be conducted, which could even include limited military actions against particular targets, but Staten Generaal does try to uphold the overall foreign policy in conformity with the above goal.
The Dutch policy will most likely remain unchanged. We are too weak to allow our self getting involved in the high policy. We also still believe most of the goals can be achieved peacefully, if only timing and approach is correct.
Dutch goal is to be friendly enough to all important powers, so that we are never ever DOWed. Our a bit expansionistic trading companies can at occasions have their own ideas how policy should be conducted, which could even include limited military actions against particular targets, but Staten Generaal does try to uphold the overall foreign policy in conformity with the above goal.
Denmark really needed to do better in the diplomatic game. I mean i only had contact with them twice i think and one was a nasty backstab.
Denmark's only chance was to accept any of those deals Sweden offered them. They "allied" France instead and never bothered to send any counter offers to Sweden so this is a pretty natural destiny for Denmark.
Historical speaking Denmark was very close of annexation at this times. Karl X Gustav died in cancer which pretty much saved Denmark.
Then of course English-Dutch intervened diplomaticly, but this Denmark have lost all there diplomatic cards i suppose.
Historical speaking Denmark was very close of annexation at this times. Karl X Gustav died in cancer which pretty much saved Denmark.
Then of course English-Dutch intervened diplomaticly, but this Denmark have lost all there diplomatic cards i suppose.