Dishonor Before Death II; The Colonial Wars

[ForzaA]

rules

-Prov Edits Cost: -1 stab per prov traded for both nations, and you can't trade land unless you have stab to lose.

then why is there no mention of reduced stab for Spain?

 

[ForzaA]

Sweden is now set on peace and trading since war has proven unsuccessful as a means to glory..

I wonder for how long..
ie. when's the next Swedish 'God'?

 

[ForzaA]

Why the hell is Russia the only one in the Muslim techgroup, whilst both Poland and OE are in Orthodox techgroup with the rest of Europe.

Now, I can understand it for Poland, since they had the Union only this session, but the OE, against who's techgroup in Souls of Iron (it being the same as that of the rest of Europe) some of you strongly protested, I have no clue :s

 

[ForzaA]

I dont see the logic. Someone please explain.

Polish techgroup gets lowered in the Union event (Except ofcourse, that everyone had been downed a techgroup already, thus nulling the change)
The Union, afaik, represents a focus away from Europe, and as Europe is the "tech center", moving away means a techgroup down.

And then there's balance issues..

 

[ForzaA]

Uhm I don't think its a good idea to introduce new countries once the game is going,

Not only that, but playing Delhi, Vijayanagar or such a country does not really help you learn MP.. it's essentially an SP game until someone wants your CoT or whatever it is that is valuable.

 

[ForzaA]

England choose that to: #Make Catholicism the most favoured religion# during the Spanish Armada. Hence the holy church then accepted us.

that is to say, you didn't even pick the catholic option, yet you still get accepted?

 

[ForzaA]

Well if you choose too be a vassal of the union, maybe you would feel different!

perhaps for the person, but I doubt it would be good for the game..
I don't know yet what this union will mean, but it sounds like it might be very unfortunate for the game...

 

[ForzaA]

heheh the sultan is protecting his most hated enemy, that again and again have stabbed him and taken land from him... I definately see the logic in that :rofl:

I seem to recall a few wars involving the Dutch, the English, and the French in the late 17th century (IRL), compared to that, this is a very consistent policy.

 

[ForzaA]

Dont whine. Try to break it instead, thus creating more wars and then being very good for the game.

huh? I am not even whining about the Ottomans wanting to protect the Venetians, and why I should "break" it, I have even less of a clue....

 

[ForzaA]

Ehm I don't recall any war that can relate to this, especially not when the war hasn't even ended yet, Austria is still fighting, venice just peaced out. Really Forzaa come again...

Let us just say that French fought WITH the English against the Dutch, the Dutch fought the English, and the English fought WITH the Dutch against the French, in a period of maybe 10 years...

 

[ForzaA]

:rofl: I don't know what you are whining about, but I refuse to believe OE would ally venice or vice versa, considering the current circumstances in game.

BoP - if it hurts Spain more than it gains Venice and hurts the OE, it's a good deal for the OE even if they will fight Venice again later.

Oh, and it's hardly a whine..

heck, I'm not even suggesting that something should be removed

 

[ForzaA]

so anyone read the new events?

recently new .. or longer ago new?


Oh, and Barnius in OE, that will be interesting
...except that I *again* have to convince a sultan of our deal :s

 

[ForzaA]

Barnius don't use Artillery untill LT35... unless you have a VERY secure, yet very difficult, siege.

Other than that, run away from my armies, and engage those of the rest

 

[ForzaA]

Great! People kept telling me it's not hard, but now that I see I already have mastered half of it (running away), I am a bit calmer :wacko:

:rofl:

ok, crash course for the differences between land and naval combat.

1) instead of one type of warship, there's two. so-called "infantry" that works well in forests, swamp, mountains, and so-called "cavalry" that works well on plains and in deserts. Essentially, the idea is that you have more of the right type in the province (land equivalent of a seazone) than your enemy does.

2) instead of a penalty for being at sea for months, you get penalised for being in enemy territory, or being with too many in your own land.

3) instead of having lost after one engagement, you actually have a chance to build more warships and try again.

 

[ForzaA]

I don't think I used the word Gangbang to describe the attack on Russia.

However, superior manpower, superior leaders, and 3 men watching over things compared to only one, make it somewhat *frustrating* to be attacked time and again by the same bunch of countries. [heck, at one time I attacked I attacked some Polish army -in my land- with almost double the amount of cavalry, a shock 5 leader.. and left the province with a few hundred.... Poland is INCREDIBLY strong, or incredibly lucky.. which doesn't *at all* make them a nice country to fight against ]

And Russian colonisation has stagnated, too (no money, and I really couldn't keep an eye on 2.5 fronts and the corridor)

 

[ForzaA]

Poland strong? Come again please .
Last time i checked, Russia was the one being able to field the biggest armies in the world,

with Poland able to field a bigger, I'm sure
(given your claim about MP, you most likely have a higher support limit)

 

[ForzaA]

Just to clarify (hopefully) my position on the issue of Swedish(+Danish)-Polish cooperation vs. Russia.

Firstly, I'm having a lot of fun fighting.

However, there ARE a few minor irritations.
1) No matter what I try, the only way I might be breaking up this alliance (non-signed, but pretty obvious ) is giving up land or other rather large concessions,or so it seems.
2) despite claims to the contrary, Russia isn't all that strong.. and I have been on the verge of collapsing a few times. While I'll admit that the ingame-numbers are not all that much in favour of my enemies as I portray it at times, the superior CONTROL and SUPERVISION because of it being atleast 2 human players against one, which seems to be conveniently forgotten
3) lack of variation Sweden's sole aim seems to be to get provinces off of Russia, Poland's sole aim seems to be to keep Russia from any advance whatsoever. Whereas both could be doing something else for a change. (a Crusade against the Turk [While Barnius has been defeated by Austria, he's certainly still an interesting opponent], getting some colonies, fighting out a religious conflict, that sort of stuff)
And while I enjoy war, a lot, I wouldn't mind watching colonists moving from Moscow through the corridor for a while...

 

[ForzaA]

perhaps OE should join that "pretty obvious" alliance, out of a pure need to survive :wacko:

bah

but, to please the Sultan of the "poor, weak and underdeveloped" Ottoman Empire, I kindly request you all to read "a Crusade against the Turk" as "expansion south- or westward to preserve the balance of power"

 

[ForzaA]

Well, there is this absolutely wonderful and brilliant deal the Pole proposed yesterday. It gives you all the time in the world to colonize Siberia and those nasty wars with Poland and Sweden will be long forgotten. .

huh, and what was that?

 

[ForzaA]

Well, there is this absolutely wonderful and brilliant deal the Pole proposed yesterday. It gives you all the time in the world to colonize Siberia and those nasty wars with Poland and Sweden will be long forgotten. .

Ah, I see- if you can agree to the minor tweak I have proposed, we have a deal