Dishonor Before Death I; The Trade Wars.

[devil]

Also I been looking at the russian stats, and the site is all wrong, the combat losses are really wrong, also the income and inflation gains... I will try and repost them now.

UPDATE: Land combat losses updated, looks much more realistic now.

 

[PJL]

If Ottos have Muslim tech, then the event RR should be dropped as well.....

 

[devil]

If Ottos have Muslim tech, then the event RR should be dropped as well.....

As you know the RR aint bothering me

 

[unmerged(5161)]

I was talking to some of the players, and I am currently consindering to step into muslim tech group if the majority prefers this. I know I picked ortho in the event, but maybe it would be for the best of the game?

Could all please give their comment to this.

Thank you.

Well, in the interest of seeing you kick the bucket, I say....MUSLIM!

 

[juv95hrn]

I'm against punishing a player for good play. Campaign balancing should be dealt with by the players. OE is immensly strong but its real heydays have passed and its certainly possible to contain it if all players would be interested in it, which they naturally aren't but that's beside the point. =)

OE should stay orthodox.

Remove the unbalancing random events instead that favours the lucky more than the skilled imo.

I must admit Spain probably took inca too early. I overestimated my chances of getting deflation events and build up an income high enough to avoid gold inflation. However in truth incessant -stab events have contributed to this development.

Gotta go, my friend is getting married... =)

 

[Adam B.]

Well, he's constant fighting made him loose ground in the economic area.
While England have fought two? wars so far and both of them against France.
So he have been able to sit quitely and hypertech while others fight for survival, same for Portugal but England got a more responsibility to try to balance Europe which i think he have failed to do!.

And the fact I empty slot like crazy, even in wars, and that I am reformed doesn't matter right ? :rofl:


We have responsibility that the colonies remain balanced, If I would attack european mainland I would lose against land nations, I could not win or contribute to a land war in europe in any sensible way.

 

[devil]

Remove the unbalancing random events instead that favours the lucky more than the skilled imo.

I suggest all take a look at ryokens new random events: download here
He made new release and they are really nice, maybe we should try them out?

 

[Adam B.]

I suggest all take a look at ryokens new random events: download here
He made new release and they are really nice, maybe we should try them out?

Hmmm, Not in an ongoing game :wacko:

 

[devil]

Hmmm, Not in an ongoing game :wacko:

allright just a suggestion.

 

[unmerged(24643)]

We've tried them in an ongoing game and we had to turn back to "official" ones as they are too positive... Too many options and some of them don't really useful. Though, we saw some of them very interesting.

EDIT: I've seen your link and it goes to historical ones... those, I don't know them so I can't say...

Regarding to the muslim group for OE. I do think as juv. If the game is unbalanced is not your fault, and if OE is that powerful is becuase devil has played well, specially diplomacy. I wouldn't be very motivated on a game where one player has been made weaker to balance the game. Anyway, if you decide to change it, I agree, and we'll see how the game goes on.

 

[admiral drake]

We've tried them in an ongoing game and we had to turn back to "official" ones as they are too positive... Too many options and some of them don't really useful. Though, we saw some of them very interesting.

EDIT: I've seen your link and it goes to historical ones... those, I don't know them so I can't say...

Regarding to the muslim group for OE. I do think as juv. If the game is unbalanced is not your fault, and if OE is that powerful is becuase devil has played well, specially diplomacy. I wouldn't be very motivated on a game where one player has been made weaker to balance the game. Anyway, if you decide to change it, I agree, and we'll see how the game goes on.

the new evens aren't as nice as the old events

 

[devil]

there won't be any new events, they are too buggy, and unbalanced.

 

[unmerged(24643)]

there won't be any new events, they are too buggy, and unbalanced.

Totally agree

 

[Rezag]

I'm against punishing a player for good play. Campaign balancing should be dealt with by the players. OE is immensly strong but its real heydays have passed and its certainly possible to contain it if all players would be interested in it, which they naturally aren't but that's beside the point. =)

OE should stay orthodox.

Well I realy hope we wont then see what happened in Return of Slargos and what Devil so mutch criticed himself with hes even more super OE that before this session did only what Russia and Sweden did as its allready well in its way to have OE out tech everyone else while just sitting and not doing anything .

The problem is that should OE fight anyone the result is in no question so he basicly has only one thing to do hyper tech and thats reason Iam for muslim OE it would atleast give small slowdown on it.

 

[devil]

Well I realy hope we wont then see what happened in Return of Slargos and what Devil so mutch criticed himself with hes even more super OE that before this session did only what Russia and Sweden did as its allready well in its way to have OE out tech everyone else while just sitting and not doing anything .

Yes my OE is quite strong, but only reason its strong is because noone has contested it. I have practically been allowed to take what I want, when I want it. Now if you look at income the only reason OE is ahead is because of trade income, cut that and I am down to 4th place.

The problem is that should OE fight anyone the result is in no question so he basicly has only one thing to do hyper tech and thats reason Iam for muslim OE it would atleast give small slowdown on it.

We have played a bit around 100 years, OE has been engaged in every european war (fra/oe vs. spa/hab), expect 1 where we promised to stay out, after being asked to do so.

I have been threathening Russia and Sweden so many times, I can't count it anymore. I dowed Russia, because of my muslim defense pact, he took alga, and two of the muslim hordes as vassals. The Great Mogul called me to arms, I demanded nothing but the honor and glory.

I have invaded Austria two times, in full force. First war I crushed the alliance of Austria, Poland and Venice, second is still ongoing. I paid the bills for sweden and russia in their first wars against Poland. Later I switched and supported Poland instead.

Its not like Spain, France and Austria are weak, the difference is just trade income, I don't have to mint that much. Right now OE has its last great sultan, then its lousy monarchs all the way forward. My inflation is around 10%. And I stated before that my alliance with France is broken after this war, even if France is the weakest of all 4.

Now what I intended to do it of course try and stay the Scourge of Europe, I am always willing to fight for honor and glory. For all I care no lands have to swap hands.

Also I will be taking Muslim Tech from now on. So whoever wants some honor and glory feel free to dow me

 

[Rezag]

Yes my OE is quite strong, but only reason its strong is because noone has contested it. I have practically been allowed to take what I want, when I want it. Now if you look at income the only reason OE is ahead is because of trade income, cut that and I am down to 4th place.

With 6 rich COT:s OE has sure source of high trade income that wont be taken away from it. And realy what nation has the surpluss money to fight OE:s endless hordess that will over run any even bigger goalition against OE? Now Iam not worried of your big and great country Iam worried you getting bored to your country after you get it maxed out and have nothing to challenge you its just that it has happened before yes it was little difrent but then you had even coutries more powerfull than your own .

That was my major reason I proposed the muslim tech.

 

[Adam B.]

Yes my OE is quite strong, but only reason its strong is because noone has contested it. I have practically been allowed to take what I want, when I want it. Now if you look at income the only reason OE is ahead is because of trade income, cut that and I am down to 4th place.

We have played a bit around 100 years, OE has been engaged in every european war (fra/oe vs. spa/hab), expect 1 where we promised to stay out, after being asked to do so.

I have been threathening Russia and Sweden so many times, I can't count it anymore. I dowed Russia, because of my muslim defense pact, he took alga, and two of the muslim hordes as vassals. The Great Mogul called me to arms, I demanded nothing but the honor and glory.

I have invaded Austria two times, in full force. First war I crushed the alliance of Austria, Poland and Venice, second is still ongoing. I paid the bills for sweden and russia in their first wars against Poland. Later I switched and supported Poland instead.

Its not like Spain, France and Austria are weak, the difference is just trade income, I don't have to mint that much. Right now OE has its last great sultan, then its lousy monarchs all the way forward. My inflation is around 10%. And I stated before that my alliance with France is broken after this war, even if France is the weakest of all 4.

Now what I intended to do it of course try and stay the Scourge of Europe, I am always willing to fight for honor and glory. For all I care no lands have to swap hands.

Also I will be taking Muslim Tech from now on. So whoever wants some honor and glory feel free to dow me

Interesting, Keeps you exited aswell

 

[Mowers]

Perhaps your Ottoman problem comes from the lack of a Persia at the start? Its kinda like giving a player a free hand, no?

 

[devil]

Perhaps your Ottoman problem comes from the lack of a Persia at the start? Its kinda like giving a player a free hand, no?

It certainly is, I must admit a no-persian provs rule or persian player is a must in any game from now on.

 

[Seen]

It certainly is, I must admit a no-persian provs rule or persian player is a must in any game from now on.

Haha, just wenn we are discussing OE downgrading, you suggest no Persia Human in the beginning :rofl: YOU really are FUNNY devil