Dishonor Before Death I; The Trade Wars.

[juv95hrn]

I'm the first to admit that OE has won and I'm actively looking for peace but not at any price.

 

[Adam B.]

In all due respect, even with all the heavy losses the OE have suffered in the last war, she has now effectively won the game. I have been comparing the two Turkeys in 1419: A New Order and this game, and the consenus is that Owen's Turkey was overpowered in the ANO. Not only that, but Hive and Slargos had great difficulty in taking him down in a previous war.

But Devils's Turkey is miles stronger in 1618 (after several years of war) compared to Owen's Turkey in 1622 (after several years of peace). More (twice as more) income, more territories, better tech, more manpower, bigger navy, etc....The list is endless.

Don't complain about someone being overpowered, the game is still fun to play, and Devil is no evil player.

 

[Joohoo]

for you that have forget we have a AAR section, i will recall you that there is one

Here

 

[devil]

I don't mean to rain on your parade but I'm hardly displeased with 30 WS, 196 galleys and 8 transports sunk for the infidels to 86 galleys for Spain. =) (1 WS sunk fighting pirates in the caribean too.) Venice only lost 5 galleys.

The stats are not correct unfortunately, i only lost arround 120 ships.

Ottoman land losses are pretty hefty as well still it looks like OE won the war so what does it matter? Spain lost 62k infantry and 14k cavalry so far in the war, nothing major. OEs total losses are nearing 680k troops.

But most important, OE can continue you fighting a long time, MP pool is full, gold is plenty.

Spains remaining troops are 103k inf and 68k cav vs OEs 201k inf and 64k cav. Navalwise OE holds 380 ships vs Spains 275 in the med.

Yes seems its 140 I lost then.

Spains inflation has sunken -1.4% vs OE rising +0.9.

I build two manus

Its clear that the OE is technologically, economically and militarily superior to Spain but its no overwhelming superiority imo. Holding land is not the same as being able to keep it. I feel the suggested peace suggestion is very fair under the circumstances and I urge all involved parties to accept them.

Oe agrees.

 

[Rezag]

In all due respect, even with all the heavy losses the OE have suffered in the last war, she has now effectively won the game. I have been comparing the two Turkeys in 1419: A New Order and this game, and the consenus is that Owen's Turkey was overpowered in the ANO. Not only that, but Hive and Slargos had great difficulty in taking him down in a previous war.

But Devils's Turkey is miles stronger in 1618 (after several years of war) compared to Owen's Turkey in 1622 (after several years of peace). More (twice as more) income, more territories, better tech, more manpower, bigger navy, etc....The list is endless.

Just my 5cets maybe Devil can be persuaded to take Muslim tech for hes OE that would make the later part of game mutch harder for him hes tech cost would be higher?

 

[Seen]

as promised the stats

ok first i found it funny and maybe could use it to my advantage, but FORGETTING to put ME in while i was in the stats of 1607 (which i had to remind you also) is really @#@$(.

I hope you will correct this soon, and maybe a small apology is at its place


Well, since im forgotten, I wont bother you all with a long tale of succes and failure (not necessairly in that order As spain said, first offensive in SA failed, second was more succesfull, but then suddenly i was attacked by Porto, which must have been a mistake for two reasons, ONE the french Sub shouldnt have asked me to join that war, and two fortunatly the rest of porto's alliance saw that, only not porto . Well, it only resulted in a more expansive war there, which in Dutch commercial eyes is pure waste of good money. Of course one buatifull anekdote i wont withhold from you, that Piet Heyn with ONE ship won again 38 of porto (i saw it to late to retreat, so it was luck, but still he did it )

 

[devil]

stop whining you are added, those stats suck anyway

 

[Joohoo]

stop whining you are added, those stats suck anyway

:rofl: poor bastard but great for Piet Heyn.
Mughal Empire did not do much than built some Tax collectors and warfare but fun session as long as we played.

 

[Joohoo]

Peace deal

The Blue Horde peace Treaty​

Jehangir, son of Humayun, offer peace with Russia. Our demand is easy, we claim the province now called Novosibirsk in ex. Blue Horde territory and when the peace deal is done, you will peace Ottoman Empire with a WP. I am nice because you are new Tzar on the throne so you should be glad we are nice ​

Signed Jehangir Khan

 

[Rezag]

The Blue Horde peace Treaty​

Jehangir, son of Humayun, offer peace with Russia. Our demand is easy, we claim the province now called Novosibirsk in ex. Blue Horde territory and when the peace deal is done, you will peace Ottoman Empire with a WP. I am nice because you are new Tzar on the throne so you should be glad we are nice ​

Signed Jehangir Khan

Tzar has to think let see we have allready agreed wp with Ottoman and after that all Russian forces can and will be sent against the outragiously backstabing Mughals who will learn hard lesson. Its simple WP or war as siperia wont be opened to Mughals.

 

[Joohoo]

Tzar has to think let see we have allready agreed wp with Ottoman and after that all Russian forces can and will be sent against the outragiously backstabing Mughals who will learn hard lesson. Its simple WP or war as siperia wont be opened to Mughals.

backstab and backstab, Russia dowed OE when I had crashed not much i could do than dow when i come-backed but ok, i am wise to know we have no chance against Russia alone, not this time, wp offer will be sent in next session.

 

[devil]

Economic data from 1607 to 1618​

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*OE is back in trade Income, and have taken the lead from porto.

*Holland, Porto and England got a nice piece of the trade market now.

*Sweden is still leading in the scandinavian income race. Denmark is really catching up.

*Spain and Russia are leading the inflation race.

*OE still has the income lead, even while leading a 3 front war ALLAH AKHBAR!

*Austria is ruined from the war, even Brandenburg is earning more.

*The war aint affecting OE nor Spain income wise.

* Holland, England and Denmark took advantage of the war.

 

[Fredrik82]

Spain is very weak, all the wars hurt them alot

 

[devil]

Spain is very weak, all the wars hurt them alot

well not much, its just porto and england over took him, since they increased their profits.

 

[Fredrik82]

well not much, its just porto and england over took him, since they increased their profits.

Well, he's constant fighting made him loose ground in the economic area.
While England have fought two? wars so far and both of them against France.
So he have been able to sit quitely and hypertech while others fight for survival, same for Portugal but England got a more responsibility to try to balance Europe which i think he have failed to do!.

 

[devil]

Well, he's constant fighting made him loose ground in the economic area.
While England have fought two? wars so far and both of them against France.
So he have been able to sit quitely and hypertech while others fight for survival, same for Portugal but England got a more responsibility to try to balance Europe which i think he have failed to do!.

well OE is fighting too, I think its the too early annexation of the inca that are hurting him.

 

[devil]

I was talking to some of the players, and I am currently consindering to step into muslim tech group if the majority prefers this. I know I picked ortho in the event, but maybe it would be for the best of the game?

Could all please give their comment to this.

Thank you.

 

[Joohoo]

I was talking to some of the players, and I am currently consindering to step into muslim tech group if the majority prefers this. I know I picked ortho in the event, but maybe it would be for the best of the game?

Could all please give their comment to this.

Thank you.

we welcome you to the retarded group, we are most happy.

 

[Rezag]

I was talking to some of the players, and I am currently consindering to step into muslim tech group if the majority prefers this. I know I picked ortho in the event, but maybe it would be for the best of the game?

Could all please give their comment to this.

Thank you.

Muslim tech for OE would be great would make at least little more difficult for OE hyper tech .

 

[devil]

ohh I forgot to mention this: Rezag ICQ is 211-492-374 (New Perm Russia)