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Yes very but what about> wouldnt it be great if we could see the map change over time!
 

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Yeah.. always include Sweden and our trusted allies in Holstein-Gottorp first of all. :)
 

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Originally posted by Johan
Yeah.. always include Sweden and our trusted allies in Holstein-Gottorp first of all. :)

Johan:
Why is Swedens provinces always so large compared to the continental ones???
 

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Originally posted by Johan
Yeah.. always include Sweden and our trusted allies in Holstein-Gottorp first of all. :)

Can't say I'd blame you - if I were programming such games I'd start with Alberta every time :D


p.s. I stand by my statement - Sweden was a no account backwater in the 19th century :)
 

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Originally posted by Havard
Because the population is much more sparse?

Skåne probably has a higher population density than jutland but jutland has 3-4 provinces...
Seems very wierd to me.
IMO it would be better to try to keep all provinces similar in size not value.
 

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Originally posted by azid
then we would have a lot of provinces =D

Yes.
Of which most would be worthless.
But since the defence of sweden was based around that we have room to retreat i think it would be good to have a decent number of provinces.

Have the same objections to HoI.
Norway has more provinces than Sweden...
Normaly it takes ~3-4 days to take the whole of Sweden when it in real life would have taken 3-4 weeks at least.
Just some food for thought i think.
 

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But would that extend to North America? I just recently compaed the areas, and my beloved home province of Alberta actually covers more area than all of France. Would you agree to giving Alberta 20-30 provinces?
 

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Even now, with a Billion and a Half provinces in Europe, I bet there will still be no Liechtenstein :(
 

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Originally posted by BarristerBoy
p.s. I stand by my statement - Sweden was a no account backwater in the 19th century :)

Actually, Sweden did industrialize rather quickly during the 19th century, and their welfare laws became rolemodel for many other states, including Bismarck's welfare laws. :)
 

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Actually, Sweden did industrialize rather quickly during the 19th century, and their welfare laws became rolemodel for many other states, including Bismarck's welfare laws. :)

Sorry Sytass, it's the other way around. Birsmarck's became the model for the Scandinavian welfare states because the Scandinavian countries became Prussian clones during the 19th Century.

Sweden is Prussia as it might have been ...
 

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Originally posted by BarristerBoy
But would that extend to North America? I just recently compaed the areas, and my beloved home province of Alberta actually covers more area than all of France. Would you agree to giving Alberta 20-30 provinces?

Yes.

However i would prefer that there were 2 maps.
One economic with the provinces and one military with subprovinces that are much smaller.
That could make the administrative provinces large but the military ones that affect conquest speed small and that would make it much harder and take much longer to conquer a nation.
 

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Originally posted by Sytass
Actually, Sweden did industrialize rather quickly during the 19th century, and their welfare laws became rolemodel for many other states, including Bismarck's welfare laws. :)

We industrialized late but we had compulsory schools early.
Sweden wasn't fully industrialized until the turn of the century if even then.
 

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Originally posted by peo

...
However i would prefer that there were 2 maps.
One economic with the provinces and one military with subprovinces that are much smaller.
...
That is a great idea. IMHO the ideal setting would be hexes for military operations and larger economic districts to handle the economy/governing. Each district would have several keypoints, conquest of which would give control over that district. Since we won't see hexes in Vic (or will we, pleeeease?), the military map could have small, geographically defined provinces, size of which would be more or less uniform everywhere. Then Alberta, for example, would be one economic entity and still retain it´s real geographical size.