Discipline for multi-army battles?

[Undecided]

Quick question: Since discipline is usually determined nationally, what happens when multiple friendly armies from different nations join one another in the same battle? Does each unit retain its own discipline based on its country of origin, or are they determined by the leading general in the battle? I only ask because the battle overview always changes the displayed discipline to that of the leading general, which kind of suggests that the general determines the discipline for all units in the battle...

 

[Utretch]

Quick question: Since discipline is usually determined nationally, what happens when multiple friendly armies from different nations join one another in the same battle? Does each unit retain its own discipline based on its country of origin, or are they determined by the leading general in the battle? I only ask because the battle overview always changes the displayed discipline to that of the leading general, which kind of suggests that the general determines the discipline for all units in the battle...

I believe it's the latter case of the controlling general's army's discipline.

 

[Krajzen]

Quick question: Since discipline is usually determined nationally, what happens when multiple friendly armies from different nations join one another in the same battle? Does each unit retain its own discipline based on its country of origin, or are they determined by the leading general in the battle? I only ask because the battle overview always changes the displayed discipline to that of the leading general, which kind of suggests that the general determines the discipline for all units in the battle...

How the heck is general supposed to affect discipline in any way?

It is obviously mean value, the same as for morale of international armies.

 

[ragingrondo12]

With multiple belligerants on one side:


General use: Strongest general used. Strength is determined based upon number of generals total pips. If a ruler/heir is a general, and you march them into a battle, the battle will make them the leader, due to heir social rank and command. If the King/heir is worse than your general, your fault.

Discipline: Every regiment uses its home nations base discipline. The battle screen only shows the highest disciplined regiment in a battle.

Morale: Every regiment uses its home nations base morale. The battle screen only shows the highest morale regiment in a battle.


Ex: You have 10 regiments of French Footsoldiers at 6.5 morale and 115% discipline along with 2 Regiments of Polish Cavalry at 6.3 morale and 120% discipline, The Battle screen will show 6.5 in the morale bar and 120% in the discipline bar. Once the Two regiments of Polish Cavalry have been routed/wiped/retreated the battle screen will show 6.5 in morale bar and 110% in disicipline.


Easiest way to demo is MP battle.

 

[Undecided]

The battle screen only shows the highest disciplined regiment in a battle.

If you mean the highest discipline regiment is is displayed as the side's discipline during the battle, I'm not sure that's actually correct. laying as Prussia and having the overwhelmingly highest discipline by 10-15%, it always displayed the discipline of the leading general. At least I presume so since the only time I ever saw the shown value change was when another general took command. This was regardless of whether my troops were participating in the battle, even in cases where they made up over 80% of the troops currently fighting on the field (and/or waiting to enter the field). Hence my previous assumption that discipline -- at least the value it displays for the battle -- is tied to general.

That being said, anyone recall a source to confirm that discipline is indeed calculated on a per-unit basis? I only ask because since the battle sides' discipline is tied to general, and mousing over the individual units does not display any values for discipline, and the wiki/manual doesn't specify this either...

 

[dublish]

If you mean the highest discipline regiment is is displayed as the side's discipline during the battle, I'm not sure that's actually correct. laying as Prussia and having the overwhelmingly highest discipline by 10-15%, it always displayed the discipline of the leading general. At least I presume so since the only time I ever saw the shown value change was when another general took command. This was regardless of whether my troops were participating in the battle, even in cases where they made up over 80% of the troops currently fighting on the field (and/or waiting to enter the field). Hence my previous assumption that discipline -- at least the value it displays for the battle -- is tied to general.

That being said, anyone recall a source to confirm that discipline is indeed calculated on a per-unit basis? I only ask because since the battle sides' discipline is tied to general, and mousing over the individual units does not display any values for discipline, and the wiki/manual doesn't specify this either...

I can't link to other forums, but Wiz posted the following on SomethingAwful about an hour ago:

I just checked and it's per regiment, so yes, the UI is misleading.

 

[Johan]

Yeah, gui just shows the stats of commanding general..

 

[Sorellis]

Yeah, gui just shows the stats of commanding general..

So if I have two separate stacks (of the same country) fighting in the same battle, one with a strong general and one with a weak general, I am worse off than having one stack with only the strong general?

 

[Alblaka]

So if I have two separate stacks (of the same country) fighting in the same battle, one with a strong general and one with a weak general, I am worse off than having one stack with only the strong general?

No, Johan just said that the GUI always displays the values of the strongest generals. The display of the GUI has no effect on the battle.
All troops use their nations modifiers for morale, discipline, CS, etc.

The only relevant difference is that for ALL participating troops, always that strongest displayed general will lead the entire fighting forces, allies and own troops alike.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

No, Johan just said that the GUI always displays the values of the strongest generals. The display of the GUI has no effect on the battle.
All troops use their nations modifiers for morale, discipline, CS, etc.

The only relevant difference is that for ALL participating troops, always that strongest displayed general will lead the entire fighting forces, allies and own troops alike.

Of course, getting the army flanked because you've trash tier ally units with no discipline and techs behind sucks regardless. I'd be interested to know how it populates the front.