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I'm pretty sure all the OP is looking for in an "End Union" option in the diplomatic window considering he is the "Senior" partner of the union. A better option would be a pop up window that states something like "The King of X is dead, we have the chance to form a Union." "Yes, let's" or "No, screw them" instead of just forming the union without the players input.
 

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If he's going to use the console /kill dan would do the job anyway (once relations have been torpedod obviously). My interpretation is he's looking for a way within the normal confines of the game, perhaps so as to not disable any achievements and the like.

Yeh, why change your government for a day when you can just ruin your relations with France and kill your own ruler... I was kinda suggesting this as the least obtrusive way, you know? :p
 

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I'm pretty sure all the OP is looking for in an "End Union" option in the diplomatic window considering he is the "Senior" partner of the union. A better option would be a pop up window that states something like "The King of X is dead, we have the chance to form a Union." "Yes, let's" or "No, screw them" instead of just forming the union without the players input.

Indeed, it seems silly that you as the supposed leader of the union just have it forced upon you, unable to even decline the throne.

If its that big a deal, tag switch to FRA and declare war on yourself then peace out asap.

Best idea yet, I will look into how well this one works, thanks!
 

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I personally dont get it. Being a PU leader of France is in most cases very good. They arent such a war magnet and annexing France is great. If you want to RP it and dont want to suddenly become the ultra power in Europe then I personally think using console is cheating, just insult them and hope it breaks but you shouldnt be able to take the easy way out.

I do agree that maybe a decline PU decission when a PU starts would be good but in most cases dont see why you would do it.
 

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Indeed, it seems silly that you as the supposed leader of the union just have it forced upon you, unable to even decline the throne.

When you are the heir you take the bad with the good and you generally have no say in the matter. This is what a PU represents in the game-you inherit the crown of the country. The inherit nation in the game represents the permanent assimilation of the new crown into your kingdom in such fashion that it cannot be separated due to different inheritance laws and the like.
 

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When you are the heir you take the bad with the good and you generally have no say in the matter. This is what a PU represents in the game-you inherit the crown of the country. The inherit nation in the game represents the permanent assimilation of the new crown into your kingdom in such fashion that it cannot be separated due to different inheritance laws and the like.

Actually heirs can very much abdicate their throne if they want to, it may not be popular with the nobles or the people but it's not unheard of that it happens.

Remember that a Personal Union isn't a direct union between two nations, all it means is that the King holds the title for both nations, other than the head of state the nations are completely seperate entities, with different laws, governments and so forth so it doesn't have anything to do with assimilating the crown into your nation, it's a purely King based thing at least until the King actively merges the national governments.

Even in if an absolute monarch inherit the title of absolute monarch of another nation it doesn't default legally into those two nations being one, they will still be seperate titles, functions, nations and so forth until actively merged.

Even disregarding that, as the holder of the title of King of X, Y and Z, there seem little reason in my eyes why I shouldn't be able to just give away one of those titles to someone, hell I can do that with say releasing vassals which is essentially the same principle, give up my kings claims on certain land that I don't want direct rulership over, I would like a similiar choice of giving up the title/claim to a PU, that is all :).
 

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Even disregarding that, as the holder of the title of King of X, Y and Z, there seem little reason in my eyes why I shouldn't be able to just give away one of those titles to someone

Other than I can't think of a single instance where a monarch chose of their own free will not to accept another crown, with one exception. Karl V chose to assign rule of Austria to his younger brother simply because there was too much to deal with. A more convincing argument could be made for a peace condition cancelling a PU/claimed throne.

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Other than I can't think of a single instance where a monarch chose of their own free will not to accept another crown, with one exception. Karl V chose to assign rule of Austria to his younger brother simply because there was too much to deal with. A more convincing argument could be made for a peace condition cancelling a PU/claimed throne.

-Pat

I would like that too, it would be the second best thing.

Also just because it didn't happen a lot doesn't mean it wasn't possible, that is all I was saying.