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I wish the Hansa would be dissolved like it was historically, when it's trade importance declined. This can be simulated either by either "Less that X trade power in X", or less than X money passing through the trade spot. Due to the new trans-oceanic orientation being dominant in the early 1600s. Either this, or too low stability. Once dissolved, the cities that consituated it should become free nations, all of which have cores, apart from Lubeck.

For a human player, once one of these triggers get activated, you can choose wether to fight to keep the Hansa together, or not.
 
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Well maybe a disaster could do it.



From wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League

"At the start of the 16th century, the League found itself in a weaker position than it had known for many years. The rising Swedish Empire had taken control of much of the Baltic. Denmark had regained control over its own trade, the Kontor in Novgorod had closed, and the Kontor in Bruges had become effectively moribund. The individual cities which made up the League had also started to put self-interest before their common Hanseatic interests. Finally, the political authority of the German princes had started to grow—and so to constrain the independence of action which the merchants and Hanseatic towns had enjoyed."

So maybe a disaster:

If less than 25% of your total income is trade the disaster would be available, and after a certain year, and not a subject nation.

The disatser would get more +1 if if you have low stability, bad ruler, low religius unity, trade guild not in power and low republican tradition.

When the disaster triggers you will get high revolt risk, +1.5 local autonomy each month. -1 available merchant.

And the only way to stop this, is either becoming a monarchy or nobel republic.

You will get a event chain maybe something like this:

Our towns is no longer loyal:
What should we do?
........

Option 1: Try setting a big family in power.
Option 2: Try convincing the families that a united Hansa is good.
Option 3: Invite a foregin nobel to try to guide our Countiry back to the right track.

Then you would get some more events and what you choose will inpact your new govorment type.
So maybe option 1 would get you towards a monarchy
and option 2 will get you towards nobel republic.
and option 3 a foregin dynasti might land upon you throne.


This would be better than having more of those ridiculous events like "The Burgundian Inheritance."
So the Hansa would survive but not get dissolved. But the disbandement of the Hansa would still be simulated.
 
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Great idea. There are other disasters that are for certain nations I believe (War of Roses), so this shouldn't be hard! Also, you just lack the Free City of Lubeck, which definitely should have its own core, as it was the most prominent of the cities, and cause it exists (and had existed since 1226) at the start of Victoria 2.
 

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The Hansa shouldn't be a country in the first place. It was a union of, mostly coastal(with a few exceptions such as Luneburg or Breslau), cities around Central Europe. Its current mechanics isn't practical either as they have a lot of unnecessary relations and some cities are not included because they were part of other countries(eg. Danzig, belonging to Teutonic Order in the start date).
It should either be done through a disaster, mentioned above, or we could just dump the Hansa as a country and lmake it a trading union, as I've suggested here.
 
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The Hansa shouldn't be a country in the first place. It was a union of, mostly coastal(with a few exceptions such as Luneburg or Breslau), cities around Central Europe. Its current mechanics isn't practical either as they have a lot of unnecessary relations and some cities are not included because they were part of other countries(eg. Danzig, belonging to Teutonic Order in the start date).
It should either be done through a disaster, mentioned above, or we could just dump the Hansa as a country and lmake it a trading union, as I've suggested here.

Now they dumped the Hansa, as you can see in their sceret stream, the Hansa is no longer a unified country!
Congrats, some of your suggetion is probaly in the game in the next patch.
:)

http://www.twitch.tv/paradoxinteractive/v/19848632
 
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