Disatisfaction with the Revolution as it stands

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Verenti

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I am very disappointed with the quality of Art of War and the state of the representation of the revolution in EUIV. I am a long time supporter of Paradox and an active participant in the community for over a decade. This is to say, I have seen Paradox releases in a much worse state than this.

However, I find the complete disregard for a feature to be intolerable. I have seen beta releases in better shape than this.

First of all, the Revolution only takes the revolutionary tricolour to a superficial degree. All of the cities and ships fly the original flag of the revolutionary target, if you zoom in to check. I could overlook this, if it were the only defect-- because we have heard some comments on the possibility of a dynamic flag system. A flag system we have been asking for since Victoria gave it to us. We asked for it in EU3, before it came out and were encouraged when Victoria II and CK2 both have dynamic flags. We asked for it in EU4 and it was overlooked. Changing flags has been a feature since the days of EU2, and I welcome it's return, if it is to return. But it has not returned, not yet.

Second, the game recognises the revolutionary republic as a monarchy in many ways and many events fire talking about expanding the royal bureacracy, as well as the primary army in the 1792 bookmark being called the Royal Army. Furthermore, the only rebels that weren't separtists were other revolutionaries. There was no counter-revolution in sight. Only those who wished to overthrow the republic to install a republic!

Thirdly, the ruler of Rev. France in 1792 is immediately replaced by some nameless random character. The Convention National is a non-entity in EUIV.

Lastly, the revolutionary cb is broken. You can declare war to spread the revolution, but you cannot spread the revolution! What threat is the revolution to the crowns of Europe? It doesn't inspire revolution by example and it cannot be spread by force!

That a feature of the expansion can be met with such disregard as to not function at all, when all of these are evident with only ten minutes of exposure is negligence! These issues must be fixed and addressed. The integrity of this company depends on following through with your promised features. As the reworked Revolution was one of the reasons I bought this DLC -- and expecting nothing more than what was advertised, which was any country becoming the revolutionary target and spreading the revolution through war, I feel cheated by the state of this feature.
 

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I hadn't got to experience the revolution myself, but I have felt this same kind of half-done approach on a lot of stuff in AoW. Paradox, I do love the expansion, and I feel that it definitely was worth the price, and I enjoy playing it. That said, you over-hyped it in a way that I didn't expect from a company I have grown to trust like I have Paradox. You guys showed a lot of features like the 30 years war, and this one we are talking about here, that simply don't feel complete, and lack functionality. Some examples of these problems for the revolution have been made here by Verenti, some other examples about the Thirty Years War would be 1. It takes forever to start a lot of the time, and it never really has any political tension leading to it, making the whole thing feel very anti-climactic and forced. 2. I feel like there should be historical events during the war for participants considering this is something we paid 20 dollars for (hopefully this does not sound entitled, but just understand that when I pay the price that is a third of a game, I expected more. Again, I don't feel robbed, I am just disappointed.) 3. I would like to see some way for reformed to have a part in it, as currently the TYW just makes reformed feel kinda meh, but I am glad that you added something for Protestantism.

I have just rampantly bought Paradox games because I love the way a lot of the designers at Paradox seem to care a lot about their games. When looking at things like balance, they don't just think "well what are the players telling me to do?" They actually care themselves, and that is something that is truly unique to you guys. This DLC however feels like it only came with QOL changes that really should have been done anyways, like being able to push CB's from vassals, or the army loadout builder. In your defense, I think the reason some of this happened is that I believe it could be harder to work when you get demoralized by all the overly critical feedback players often give on these forums that I can tell you spend a lot of time on, but please don't forget that there are a lot of us who do value your work, and I think you know we exist as we have seen better from you before.
Thanks to all of you on the EU4 Dev team! :rolleyes:
 

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Wait, we get dynamic flags in CKII? Where?
 

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I have a sneaking feeling that part of your issue is that you're playing the 1792 bookmark; the bookmarks haven't been correct for the game's mechanics in a long time, from what I recall.
 

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I think the "spread the revolution" CB is just a name for an imperialist CB... it would be good though if client states created by the revolutionary target would be revolutionary republic or empires themselves.
 

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Flags of titles change depending if the owner is christian or muslim.

More like Muslims have x amount of variation as do indians and pagans, they are all bland, the christian/jewish(jewish because they simply only use christian CoA) CoA's look good, and this is coming from someone who almost exclusively plays non christians.
 

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More like Muslims have x amount of variation as do indians and pagans, they are all bland, the christian/jewish(jewish because they simply only use christian CoA) CoA's look good, and this is coming from someone who almost exclusively plays non christians.
yeah, the muslims only seem to get some crescent moons and a few swords, very generic
 

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yeah, the muslims only seem to get some crescent moons and a few swords, very generic

Indians have some cool ones but they all feel very generic compared to any of the Christian/Jewish CoA.