Disappointing Religious League War

[Mztr44]

So I started a game as the Palatinate, took Espionage ideas even, with the plan of instigating all kinds of trouble within the HRE and trying to kick off the league war. Instead, this happens.......................(super long ellipsis for dramatic effect)

So disappointed this happened, maybe 6 months or less between league formation and war, i'm sure it's due to the somewhat unique circumstances that happened. Savoy was the Emperor, got tangled up in multiple wars, and ended up losing a large chunk of land to France. Upon the conclusion of the war, the leagues starting forming and I couldn't even join a league because I had a truce with Savoy. A few months later, religious war gets declared since Savoy is super weak. Sweden, The Hansa, and Saxony all sit there doing nothing because the Hansa has rivaled me and wont ask for access and wont accept my offer to provide it. Sweden can't get access because it's blocked off by Russia/Lithuania/Poland to the east, and rival Denmark to the south. Not sure what was up with Saxony but it just sat there as well, it was an OPM and probably didn't want to go out alone maybe. I have a huge coalition against me and Brandenburg decides to launch a punitive war. The Hansa is in the coalition and predictably, everyone involved in the war with me eventually gets shredded. This causes the Hansa to drop out of the league war and the Catholics end up with a huge war score. Sweden just sits there and eventually gives up.

Despite the unique circumstances that allowed the war to start due to AI perception, I think it's a bit silly that you can't join a league while you have a truce with the Emperor. Also a bit silly that no tension was allowed to build up at all or opportunity for proper league formation. Perhaps a minimum amount of time between league formation and league war should be created, like 10 or 15 years so there is a reasonable chance for all of Europe to get involved in the case where a member may have a truce with the emperor and unable to join a league .

 

[Ranjid]

Well, just hope for a better result next time. I certainly had a blast with my first League War. About 750.000-1.000.000 casualties, stretching all over Europe, North America and Asia. But yes, at least 5-10 years between formation and first war would be a good idea.

 

[henzington]

My religious war was a 15 year (probably longer as it came at the end of a war versus france to not become a lesser partner in a personal union) epic that resulted in 2 countries breaking form rebels and other countries have major parts released. I will say it was what broke Austria strength in my brandenberg>Prussia>Germany campaign allowing me to destroy the HRE.

 

[Mztr44]

Well, just hope for a better result next time. I certainly had a blast with my first League War. About 750.000-1.000.000 casualties, stretching all over Europe, North America and Asia. But yes, at least 5-10 years between formation and first war would be a good idea.

Yah, first two games ended up in Catholics winning by default. Still going to play this one out, i'm testing out how effective Rebel Support and Sow Discontent are with the new rebellion mechanics relying on unrest and autonomy, etc. As it is right now, Sow Discontent still seems very underpowered, maybe even actually worse than it was before. I'm thinking it should be changed to cause 0.15 unrest gain per month in a selected cultural region until discovered, up to a maximum of 5 or 10 unrest in every affected province. Then if discovered, you can't re-send your diplomat to Sow Discontent again until the previous unrest you caused has dissipated again over time. could maybe even change a few NI's or Policies that already exist for increasing rebel support and split them between a rebel support increase and a Sow Discontent increase. If not that, then there definitely needs to be something that adds to Sow Discontent because the effect is so dilute that it basically does nothing except in provinces that already have unrest. It might get some usage in an MP game where someone eats a huge chunk out of another nation, but outside of that it's near useless.

 

[Illianor123]

My first religious war.

 

[Zander]

These three facts:
- one can't join a league while at truce with the Emperor
- one can't join a league once a war has already started
- the AI always starts league wars ASAP

tend to make league wars extremely underwhelming at present.

 

[pphair]

The AI definitely needs some tweaking with regards to starting the war, even if that was fun as hell.

Also, I think there should be some way to join the war once it started. In my Italy game I missed the war because I was fighting one of the Catholic members when it started (at least I think that was it). I was still a member of the Catholic League with the bonuses but couldn't actually contribute to the war.

 

[Suzaku]

I just don't like the fact that only Protestant, Catholic, or religious freedom is allowed. I have installed some Orthodox nations into the HRE and yet I can't enforce an Orthodox religion. It's in the best interest to force a draw as an Orthodox nation.

 

[Illianor123]

In my one some of the nations joined in flyer it started. Called in by allies I assume.
I wish there was to a way to tell your allies to call you to arms. "Send me in coach"

Specifically Scandinavia and Tuscany joined late.

 

[D-A-C]

I would assume, and I am just guessing by previous examples, that our feedback around the mechanic will lead to tweaks and improvements in the future. It sucks you didn't have alot of fun first time round, but try a few more playthroughs, notice any faulty patterns (or thinbgs you think need improving) and leave feedback like this, and I would wager things will be tweaked in future updates and patches.

Its a big new mechanic after all, there are bound to be some kinks and inconsistencies.

 

[Steelers1990]

Mine was a huge 15 year war where almost the whole Europe/Asia (Ottomans, Crimea, Muscovy, etc) fought to the death. And the oddest thing was that the Protestant won so the official religion is now that.

 

[boies00]

In the test game I did, the Papal States joined the protestant league.

 

[cpre5]

I was in another war when it broke out, and so I wasn't able to join in even though I was in the league.

 

[atwix]

so you ca get a draw and orthodox emperor in a 1550 leauge war already? Still puzzled on how i am supposed to become emperor as orthodox nation.

 

[Illianor123]

so you ca get a draw and orthodox emperor in a 1550 leauge war already? Still puzzled on how i am supposed to become emperor as orthodox nation.

Enforce religion on electors, and/or vassalise them.

 

[durvas]

I just don't like the fact that only Protestant, Catholic, or religious freedom is allowed. I have installed some Orthodox nations into the HRE and yet I can't enforce an Orthodox religion. It's in the best interest to force a draw as an Orthodox nation.

Reformed gets left out as well, and it's only a slightly different flavor of Protestant.

 

[Incompetent]

Why can't countries join the league war halfway through? In the real Thirty Years' War, most of the participants were only intermittently involved. Even the de facto leadership of the anti-Emperor side changed several times as different countries joined and left: first Bohemia, then the Electoral Palatinate, then Denmark, then Sweden and finally France.

 

[Lord Finnish]

Although I took part in neither both leagure wars I've seen so far were just as hardcore as I expected. Both lasted close to 20 years. Protestants lost both though.

 

[durvas]

Can you Enforce Peace on a league war?