Disallow vassals to ask nations for military access.

[gronak]

Disallow vassals to ask nations for military access, unless they are disloyal. Currently situations like this can happen:

So my vassal has asked for access I never wanted - now Tunis can cross over Tlemcen with their armies.

 

[Siddy00]

I understand the frustration, but I have my doubts about this solution. You could introduce a subject interaction to disallow vassals of obtaining access on their own, but it only takes a single participant in the entire war (your allies, your enemies, all of their subjects) to obtain access to grant the rest conditional access. In this case your vassal got it first, but I doubt that Tlemcen would have refused access to all of Morocco, Tunis, Tafilalt, Sus and Marrakesh, meaning that Tunis would likely have gotten access even if your vassal didn't. I suppose your proposed solution might have some narrow use cases, but as far as I can tell it wouldn't help you in the example you give, or in most cases I can think of.

Your suggestion did make me think of a related but separate issue that's bothered me from time to time (subjects granting military access to others without my approval), but I'll file a separate thread for that

 

[gronak]

I understand the frustration, but I have my doubts about this solution. You could introduce a subject interaction to disallow vassals of obtaining access on their own, but it only takes a single participant in the entire war (your allies, your enemies, all of their subjects) to obtain access to grant the rest conditional access. In this case your vassal got it first, but I doubt that Tlemcen would have refused access to all of Morocco, Tunis, Tafilalt, Sus and Marrakesh, meaning that Tunis would likely have gotten access even if your vassal didn't. I suppose your proposed solution might have some narrow use cases, but as far as I can tell it wouldn't help you in the example you give, or in most cases I can think of.

Your suggestion did make me think of a related but separate issue that's bothered me from time to time (subjects granting military access to others without my approval), but I'll file a separate thread for that

I don't believe Tlemcen would have infact gave the military access since Morocco and Tunis just partitioned them. Tafilalt, Sus and Marrakesh are all Morocco's allies VASSALS so, with my suggestion, also would not be able to ask for access.

Subjects simply shouldn't be able to ask, or be asked, for military access.

edit: meant to type vassals but originally wrote allies

 

[Siddy00]

Those are fair points. I had considered the first but wasn't too sure about it since they aren't rivals and I'm not overly familiar with the AI criteria; I had overlooked the second

In that case, I'd suggest adding more control instead of outright forbidding everything, as in most cases I'm quite happy with my subjects obtaining access on their own. It saves me the hassle of doing it myself, and possibly some diplomatic slots.

Actually, if you simply want to outright forbid it, it might be sufficient to mod the common/diplomatic_actions/00_diplomatic_actions.txt file and add a condition of not being a subject to the milaccess action. It'd break ironman mode and achievements, but you'd obtain the desired result, I think.

 

[gronak]

In that case, I'd suggest adding more control instead of outright forbidding everything, as in most cases I'm quite happy with my subjects obtaining access on their own. It saves me the hassle of doing it myself, and possibly some diplomatic slots.

More control would be ideal, but then the AI need to treat the vassal asking as if it was the overlord asking. So for example if Tlemcen wouldn't give Morocco access then it shouldn't give access to Morocco's vassals.

Actually, if you simply want to outright forbid it, it might be sufficient to mod the common/diplomatic_actions/00_diplomatic_actions.txt file and add a condition of not being a subject to the milaccess action. It'd break ironman mode and achievements, but you'd obtain the desired result, I think.

This is perfect for me, I stopped playing Ironman a while ago due to small things that I don't like that is not Ironman friendly if modified. Thank you so much!

 

[ZnIpE]

I second this. This could fit in well in the interactions menu, maybe near to where you set stances for your vassals (simply a toggle for "ask military access" would be prefect).