Disabling the Council and other features

[Mr. Charisma22]

If I disable Conclave, what other aspects of the game will I lose other than the council mechanics? I am trying to see if it is worth it to get rid of the silly council

Thanks!

 

[LordDamien]

Dont quote this... But I also think you will lose the new Education system if you disable concave. Since I believe that came with Concave.

These came with Concave

• New diplomatic system that prioritizes marital alliances and non-aggression pacts, as well as the possibility of coalitions
• Improved military combat model with a greater emphasis on morale, as well as new rules for mercenary companies

 

[Slayen]

You lose the following:

• council mechanics and associated laws
• the new education system
• favors
• the ability for non-nomads to create merc companies
• the changed ambitions (build warchest, the improved become king, etc)

And that seems to be more or less it.

Dont quote this... But I also think you will lose the new Education system if you disable concave. Since I believe that came with Concave.

These came with Concave

• New diplomatic system that prioritizes marital alliances and non-aggression pacts, as well as the possibility of coalitions
• Improved military combat model with a greater emphasis on morale, as well as new rules for mercenary companies

Both of those are part of the 2.5 patch, not the Conclave DLC.

 

[LordDamien]

You lose the following:

• council mechanics and associated laws
• the new education system
• favors
• the ability for non-nomads to create merc companies
• the changed ambitions (build warchest, the improved become king, etc)

And that seems to be more or less it.



Both of those are part of the 2.5 patch, not the Conclave DLC.

Strange the ones I listed i got it from the actually Paradox page.. which says those are The main features of concave

 

[Slayen]

Strange the ones I listed i got it from the actually Paradox page.. which says those are The main features of concave

Yeah, I don't know why they listed those under the DLC there, when the patch notes and dev diaries both clearly have them as part of the patch.

 

[Silversweeeper]

You can mod out the council (both the council power laws and the council having an input) without disabling Conclave, though depending on what other things you keep the AI might get a bit confused (I suspect that it still might try to buy favours from a council with no power and no way to get power, but I'm not certain). Some additional cleanup might be needed to ensure that nothing strange happens (remove/change the Takeover faction as it is related to council power, make sure that you check for CA instead of council power laws for other laws, restore the Lower CA faction, etc.).

I think that all Conclave features can be removed (or changed) without disabling the DLC and without the AI going mad, but some require a bit more work (e.g. if you disable the new education system and restore the old events, the AI will not change to a good guardian on its own, so you need to help it to the best of your ability, and you also need to write a new on_adulthood event to hand out traits in the old way due to the new system being highly reliant on the foci and childhood traits) and some are not very open to modding (you can change the aquisition methods for favours and add ways to remove them (e.g. using a targeted decision or some cleanup event firing under certain conditions), but there is currently no way to interfere with what they can be spent on, making them basically all or nothing aside from the aquisition).