Diplomacy power costs in negociations

[TheDarkMaster]

When negotiating for peace, the diplomacy costs to do certain actions should be in part dependent on the warscore costs to do them. For example, if a player decides to annex a large amount of colonial territory, they have to pay 25 or 50 diplomatic points for EACH province, which has a warscore value of 1% or less. This is far in excess for what is reasonable for kind of a demand this is.

 

[grommile]

I don't think this change is necessary, but I wouldn't object to it; it has the notable merit of improving consistency.

(Similarly, it would be nice if the AE cost of Fabricate Claims were made to scale with the value of the targeted province, though I can see arguments both ways on that count.)

 

[ashmizen]

Yes, I think this is a good idea.

I mean, players are SMART, and never pay any DIP points to take territory anyway (fabricate some claims, use religious CB, etc), so this penalty is for AI only, so it should be reduced.

Right now I look at this way - you can pay 50DIP per territory without a claim OR you just vassalize (5-6 territory countries) for 50 DIP. WHAT? Why on earth would you ever pay the DIP cost for taking a territory? It never makes any sense.

 

[VampireBoot]

I mean, players are SMART, and never pay any DIP points to take territory anyway (fabricate some claims, use religious CB, etc), so this penalty is for AI only, so it should be reduced.

You've clearly never watched certain popular Youtubers play EU4.

 

[Arizal]

+1

However, I'm not smart, since I pay dip points to gain provinces. Maybe I should change my play style, I didn't know I could do that (gain provinces without using dip points).

 

[ashmizen]

+1

However, I'm not smart, since I pay dip points to gain provinces. Maybe I should change my play style, I didn't know I could do that (gain provinces without using dip points).

Coring or just gaining? Because if you are paying 50 DIP per territory just to take it (and then pay another 10 DIP per BT to core it) that is crazy high.

 

[ashmizen]

Coring or just gaining? Because if you are paying 50 DIP per territory just to take it (and then pay another 10 DIP per BT to core it) that is crazy high.

I don't know what youtuber you're talking about. However, as a small minor in Europe, 50 DIP per province you can take is 100% worth it, esp if you are small and unable to take it otherwise.

For big countries, or ROTW, 50 DIP is a lot to waste on a single province. You'd rather pay 50DIP to vassalize 5-6 provinces at a time.

 

[Arizal]

Coring or just gaining? Because if you are paying 50 DIP per territory just to take it (and then pay another 10 DIP per BT to core it) that is crazy high.

Isn't coring ADM?

Maybe I should yield to vassal feeding (although making claims is also a good idea), but I still like to have my provinces directly.

 

[TheDarkMaster]

I don't know what youtuber you're talking about. However, as a small minor in Europe, 50 DIP per province you can take is 100% worth it, esp if you are small and unable to take it otherwise.

For big countries, or ROTW, 50 DIP is a lot to waste on a single province. You'd rather pay 50DIP to vassalize 5-6 provinces at a time.

In this case, I'm talking about seizing 8 overseas provinces that all cost 1% warscore, somewhat like when France lost their Canadian colonies to Great Britain on a smaller scale. I would have to pay 400 diplomatic points to take those provices, even though the actual value of those provinces would probably only be worth one or two European provinces, where a 50 dip point cost makes more sense.