Diplomacy II: Concert of Europe

[enkhuush]

I thought that we all had already realized that I began working in the system of 48 hours diplomatic phases and 24 hours the other ones. And you were probably not the only one who overlooked that - I got 6 order PMs today.

So if there is one remaining order comes, then will this phase end or do we have to vote for end phase?

 

[TheExecuter]

So if there is one remaining order comes, then will this phase end or do we have to vote for end phase?

Some nations have only sent preliminary orders, and discussions are still ongoing.

The Ottoman Empire is not in favor of ending the diplomacy phase early.

 

[Vainglory]

So if there is one remaining order comes, then will this phase end or do we have to vote for end phase?

You're assuming it's 6 orders from 6 countries, and not multiple orders (such as updates) from fewer countries.

 

[reis91]

No, it isn't at all what matters. Here's what matters: you said you'd F Hel - Nth, and you didn't. If you'd done that the British would have been ejected from Finland into the Gulf of Bothnia

What exactly do you gain from this?

You said Finland was a bad idea because they'd retreat into Sweden... except they couldn't have, could they? See how I still have a unit in Sweden? Even if F Swe - Nwy had succeeded somehow, I'd then have A Fin and F Nwy as well as your units in the North Sea or Helgoland to eject them with. They couldn't have held it. And it's counterfactual anyway: it was vanishingly unlikely that Britain wouldn't move for Norway, as I anticipated.

Not really. As you put it yourself, all I had to do was to order F Hel - Nth to screw them. Unless you're implying that the English Naval Command is incompetent...

So you just plain fucked up. Seriously, how do you let the 60 second delay cause you to not submit orders?

Normally, I would check, but as I had a gazillion things to do, I did not.

 

[reis91]

Oh, I already ordered everyone to Oktoberfest.

 

[TheExecuter]

Oh, I already ordered everyone to Oktoberfest.

Pretty sure those orders are invalid, but then, when drinking, everything seems fun, right?

 

[reis91]

Why? Don't you know where Oktoberfest takes place? It's a clever motivational plan conceived by the German High Command... Munich is sure to fall.

 

[esemesas]

Okay, sorry everyone for that Civil Disorder - my computer went bust yesterday evening and it just came back from repairs.

 

[Vainglory]

What exactly do you gain from this?

Well see I don't think it's a good policy to let my enemies get in behind my defenses and leave them there, unlike you. I'd rather try to kick them out, arduous though the process may be, and move onto the offensive. After your absurd thrusts into the English Channel that gained nothing and undermined your defenses, now you suddenly think trying to turn turtle (which won't work anyway because F Fin could cut supports) is a good idea?

Not really. As you put it yourself, all I had to do was to order F Hel - Nth to screw them. Unless you're implying that the English Naval Command is incompetent...

How can you not realize that F Swe - Nwy would have bounced F Ska - Nwy once you'd cut F Nth's support? You're familiar with using bounces to hold 3 provinces with 2 units, I know you are, so why are you overlooking it now?

Normally, I would check, but as I had a gazillion things to do, I did not.

Why on earth did you wait so late to place any orders that this was an issue? Why not delegate to Taiisatai? Why not place preliminary orders? You were online hours before deadline and had our set of moves to work with. Seriously, you fuck up, turn after turn, and not once have you apologized, but in fact you have fabricated absurd stories in which I told you to make moves that you reluctantly complied with, when it was the other way around - and I have the PMs to prove it.

 

[Cakravarti]

Okay, sorry everyone for that Civil Disorder - my computer went bust yesterday evening and it just came back from repairs.

Its alright, your country is as good as dead anyway. We are more upset with Reis and Tamius from a previous round.

 

[TheExecuter]

Its alright, your country is as good as dead anyway. We are more upset with Reis and Tamius from a previous round.

That doesn't prevent you from attempting to use our fleet though, I see...

 

[reis91]

Well see I don't think it's a good policy to let my enemies get in behind my defenses and leave them there, unlike you.

It always depends on the situation. As I told you, F Fin wasn't more threatening than F GoB or F Swe.

I'd rather try to kick them out, arduous though the process may be, and move onto the offensive. After your absurd thrusts into the English Channel that gained nothing

I wouldn't call Denmark (and Norway) nothing.

and undermined your defenses, now you suddenly think trying to turn turtle (which won't work anyway because F Fin could cut supports) is a good idea?

F GoB can cut the same supports. F Swe occupies an SC and allows for a move on Denmark. It screams bad move all over it.

How can you not realize that F Swe - Nwy would have bounced F Ska - Nwy once you'd cut F Nth's support? You're familiar with using bounces to hold 3 provinces with 2 units, I know you are, so why are you overlooking it now?

I did realize. And I thought the English realized that I realized. And I was going to issue that exact order, even though I didn't expect the English to gamble on it.

Tell you what, why don't we discuss our whole future strategy here, while we're at it?

Why on earth did you wait so late to place any orders that this was an issue? Why not delegate to Taiisatai?

Sent me a PM couple days ago saying he was busy. I did send him the PM's, though, and I always send orders to him when I submit them.

Why not place preliminary orders? You were online hours before deadline and had our set of moves to work with. Seriously, you fuck up, turn after turn, and not once have you apologized, but in fact you have fabricated absurd stories in which I told you to make moves that you reluctantly complied with, when it was the other way around - and I have the PMs to prove it.

And I thought it was bad enough in WW... moral of the story, never take Vainglory seriously, or you will get a massive headache and indelible mental trauma.

 

[enkhuush]

Some nations have only sent preliminary orders, and discussions are still ongoing.

The Ottoman Empire is not in favor of ending the diplomacy phase early.

You're assuming it's 6 orders from 6 countries, and not multiple orders (such as updates) from fewer countries.

Okay, understood.

 

[Vainglory]

It always depends on the situation. As I told you, F Fin wasn't more threatening than F GoB or F Swe.

You just keep repeating that without justifying it. Your strategy is apparently to leave F Fin where it is, indefinitely, tying down all my units in the north, preventing me from building another fleet in the north. So what, I can rely on you to start taking the British home SCs? That's absurd.

I wouldn't call Denmark (and Norway) nothing.

You're right: F Eng actually ended up costing me Denmark, so it was worse than useless. I got Denmark entirely without your help, and lost it due to your incompetence.

F GoB can cut the same supports. F Swe occupies an SC and allows for a move on Denmark. It screams bad move all over it.

And so you continue with this. You still haven't explained how tying down all three units indefinitely is better than trying to actually fix the situation. From GoB I could have moved the enemy further away again, freed up Stp for a build. Can't now, though, because of your civil disorder.

Even if they'd taken Sweden, which the didn't, and it was almost certain they couldn't, we'd have been able to eject them this turn. Except for your civil disorder.

I did realize. And I thought the English realized that I realized. And I was going to issue that exact order, even though I didn't expect the English to gamble on it.

Excellent, so you admit that F Fin retreat Swe never would have happened. So stop talking in circles.

Tell you what, why don't we discuss our whole future strategy here, while we're at it?

Might as well: I struggle to think of any support you've given me that you were supposed to. You have never kept me informed of your intended moves. You have made decisions that cost me supply centers. All in all, I can't see how things would have been worse if I'd publicly said each turn what you would do, because you've always done differently. And then tried to claim otherwise.

Sent me a PM couple days ago saying he was busy. I did send him the PM's, though, and I always send orders to him when I submit them.

And I thought it was bad enough in WW... moral of the story, never take Vainglory seriously, or you will get a massive headache and indelible mental trauma.

I think the real lesson here, which is only really cementing what everyone else learned in the first Diplomacy, is that Reis will embark on the worse set of moves possible and drag anyone he can down with him, at the same time as blaming all his problems on other people, and making absurd demands.

 

[TheExecuter]

I think the real lesson here, which is only really cementing what everyone else learned in the first Diplomacy, is that Reis will embark on the worse set of moves possible and drag anyone he can down with him, at the same time as blaming all his problems on other people, and making absurd demands.

Yes. So far, that is my experience with reis in a Diplomacy game as well...

 

[reis91]

I think drxav was just surpassed...

 

[joebthegreat]

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[Bagricula]

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[Cakravarti]

You're gaga for joeb?