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Great Britain is in League with Bad Horse and Evil Jefferson.
 

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I do not read the PMs before I decide to execute them. And also, according to my house rules, as a similarity to Board Diplomacy, I do not tell players whether the orders are correct or not. It depends entirely on themselves. It was only a stroke of good will that I gave you an opportunity to redo the orders.

As I said before, invalid orders sometimes are useful, so I agree that you should not correct them. And to keep coherent, with the Turkish mistake and all.
 

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As I said before, invalid orders sometimes are useful, so I agree that you should not correct them. And to keep coherent, with the Turkish mistake and all.

I can understand if Athalcor wants to lay down a house rule like not warning people orders are incorrect, although I think given that at least two people here are playing for the first time, and even people who have a few games under their belt can easily make a mistake (Culise was CC'd to that build and didn't notice; Athalcor and Ese both botched F Aeg - Bla), that's not a sensible rule to have. But whatever, his party, his rules.

However there's a difference between warning and correcting: telling someone that "F Aeg - Bla" is invalid is different to saying "You should do" or just changing it. Moreover self-bounces and utilizing the fact that you can't dislodge yourself makes for failed orders, not invalid ones, which is different again. For example F Rum S A Gal - Bud is invalid because Budapest isn't coastal. F Bla - Rum and A Sev - Rum will bounce, which means failed (but it may achieve the purpose of defending three provinces) but not invalid.

And there's also a difference in Ese's orders being processed, then reversed, and noticing before the orders are processed that there's a problem. I wouldn't have minded Ese being allowed to change his moves, but others might, because he could react to their choices and they can't. In this case, being told before the reveal that F Swe is invalid won't affect anyone else's choices.

But what's done is done. New topic.
 

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I did mean invalid orders, not failed ones. I can think of some occasions where they would be handy, but I'm not just going to spoil it :)
 

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I did mean invalid orders, not failed ones. I can think of some occasions where they would be handy, but I'm not just going to spoil it :)

I can think of handy cases too, but none in which it is problematic if the GM informs the player they're invalid.
 

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I can think of handy cases too, but none in which it is problematic if the GM informs the player they're invalid.

If it were official policy that the GM informed players of invalid orders, then a player would not have plausible deniability when he says he didn't realize the orders were invalid.

A more elaborate deception would have to be constructed such as a power outage, sick cat, et cetera which might stretch credulity.
 

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If it were official policy that the GM informed players of invalid orders, then a player would not have plausible deniability when he says he didn't realize the orders were invalid.

A more elaborate deception would have to be constructed such as a power outage, sick cat, et cetera which might stretch credulity.

Plus, the GM might not have time to read every PM before the deadline, especially with powers changing orders 5 times per season... (guilty)
 

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The GM doesn't have to inform everyone of every mistake they make: I specifically requested Athalcor inform me if I made mistakes, although I did preface it with saying I'd understand if he didn't want to do so. Other players might request differently. Blanket policies either way aren't necessary, there is a middle ground.
 

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Plus, the GM might not have time to read every PM before the deadline, especially with powers changing orders 5 times per season... (guilty)

This. I agree that this time I had only two PMs to read but I am simply not going to read every PM as the orders often change. I have seen a lot of incorrect orders (that were corrected by the players soon after) and I have decided that keeping it like the Board Diplomacy does will be the best.

I actually wanted to have the Russian build correct so I sent Vainglory the PM (I thought that he could be online due to a similarity to the WW Big deadline). For example, if there was just one possible place to build I would build there even with incorrect orders.
 

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This. I agree that this time I had only two PMs to read but I am simply not going to read every PM as the orders often change. I have seen a lot of incorrect orders (that were corrected by the players soon after) and I have decided that keeping it like the Board Diplomacy does will be the best.

I actually wanted to have the Russian build correct so I sent Vainglory the PM (I thought that he could be online due to a similarity to the WW Big deadline). For example, if there was just one possible place to build I would build there even with incorrect orders.

Well, as I said, thank you anyway. Unfortunately the deadline is 6AM, and while sometimes I'm awake then, lately I have been asleep. Oh well, I live and learn.
 

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Front to back, but I overlooked that note; I thought I'd spoken to Culise about it, maybe I didn't, and he seems to be very knowledgeable. I appreciate being told it's invalid, but with 20 minutes to deadline when it was submitted 14 hours before...

You did CC me, but I didn't see the flaw either. I apologize, but this is my first game of Classic Diplomacy, and only my second game of Diplomacy in any form ever. I was completely unaware that the build was illegal until it was mentioned by Athalcor.
 

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I understand the Kaiser-König has many tasks to handle. However, it is unfortunate that his affairs clutter his desk to the point that the Foreign Ministry is unable to send missives.

(tamius - clear your inbox ;))
 

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Too quiet.
 

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These mammoth deadline phases have killed it. Happened in the last game too.

Srsly, who needs more than 24 hours? (Other than Austria, but following that we'd have a deadline a week.)