Diplomacy: Ethics or government types

[Radically Right Wing]

Nnnnnnope. The closest to "democracies liking democracies" is that Individualists like Individualists- but an Individualist civilization is not necessarily a democratic one. The ethos-based diplomacy allows a lot more subtlety than a straight up "governments like the same type of governments" one.

EDIT: Look at it this way... there are 4 axis of ethos, each with two opposing points on it. There are only 3 types of government, which exist on one axis. It makes a lot more sense to base opinion modifiers for diplomacy off of the more numerous set of points- the set of points with oppositions- than the one that has only two opposed points and an "in-between".

You do realize that Democratic Crusaders are designed to get a huge diplomatic bonus towards Democracies and a crushing penalty towards Collectivist regimes right?

 

[dying0d]

Nothing you can quote can make you not have said earlier that yes, ethos attraction is as simple as "democracies like democracies".

The least you can do is be gracious in being caught in mis-remembering what you've said, then we can move on.

You do realize that Democratic Crusaders are designed to get a huge diplomatic bonus towards Democracies and a crushing penalty towards Collectivist regimes right?

Pretty much this. And government is a further extention of ethos anyways. so meh continue arguing with yourself if you wish

 

[BlackUmbrellas]

You do realize that Democratic Crusaders are designed to get a huge diplomatic bonus towards Democracies and a crushing penalty towards Collectivist regimes right?

Democratic Crusaders are an AI Personality. It's not inherent to being democratic- of course the AI that has behaviour designed to evoke "USA IN SPESS" will be All About democracy.

Which is what I said earlier- the way to deepen things is further refinement and expansion of the AI Personalities system. More personalities, and more complex behaviour for the ones that exist.

 

[Drakonn]

This is why I still feel like there is absolutely value in using ethics as the model for diplomacy with other empires. Thinking about the time span of the game and how after even 100 years my founding species is no longer even the majority population group within my empire it seems odd that the diplomatic relation of the empire is determined by a minority population if the government was say a democracy with xenos leadership for example. Honestly I don't know whats the 'best' answer so I'm interested to see how others feel. Maybe if there was a way to pay a large influence cost and use social research as a project to change the 'official' ethics that we choose when creating an empire, we could still have a more dynamic diplomacy still using ethics as the chief factor for relations.

With 1.5 (I think relating to the Faction system) your majority ethics will change as your pops ethos do over time.

 

[BlackUmbrellas]

With 1.5 (I think relating to the Faction system) your majority ethics will change as your pops ethos do over time.

Well, there's a mechanism which allows it- nothing we've been told indicates its automatic.

 

[Drakonn]

Well, there's a mechanism which allows it- nothing we've been told indicates its automatic.

Very true there's probably a mechanic behind. Did not mean to imply it was automatic.

 

[cosmeIII]

Well it could be just another opinion modifier. A democracy will get along better with a military republic than a dictatorship, for example. Of course the ethos also comes into play, but the mere fact that leaders go through some sort of election should be enough for democracies to get along better with each other