Diplomacy as a minor faction member

[kviiri]

If I'm playing a country that's a lesser member of a faction, is there any point in playing the diplomacy game? Will the leading country take into account my diplomatic standings with potential members or vice versa? I think it sort of makes sense for most of the diplomacy to be delegated to the leading members, but I think there should be some way of influencing their choices from below.

 

[Number 7]

from a multiplayer perspective definitely, as humans are capable of very complex diplomacy not bound to the in-game mechanics

from a singleplayer perspective, you will probably be able to affect some changes. for example Italy isnt the leader of the axis but i imagine italy could spend its time supporting fascism in states that it thinks would be of great benefit to the axis. it'll be an impact, not as big as the faction leader (esp in my example, as Germany gets bonus political power which just means they can meddle with the world even more than italy can if they were on an even playing field otherwise).

although allies minors will have a lot less to do, i don't see much of a point of say, Australia engaging in diplomacy because all of its neighbours with the exception of new zealand are guaranteed to join the allies and be under attack by the japanese. Same for say Canada.

although should the situation allow you will be able to meddle with international issues, like sending volunteers to China still (assuming china still exists by the time the allies can send volunteers)

 

[kviiri]

for example Italy isnt the leader of the axis but i imagine italy could spend its time supporting fascism in states that it thinks would be of great benefit to the axis

+1 for mentioning this, because it gives way for an even more interesting question - will the AI realize it'd be wise to do this in countries it wants in the faction?

 

[LordOfWar16]

All nations can always support their ideology in foreign countries, which will already help out getting them into your faction alot. You can also improve relations of course, which makes them more prone to like you and your faction. If only germany for example would support the fascists in, lets say, the USA for example it would be really hard and extremely expensive for them. If italy, japan, hungary and maybe nationalist spain all do the same thing on the other hand, you can build up a massive coup rather quickly.

 

[kviiri]

You can also improve relations of course, which makes them more prone to like you and your faction.

Got a source for the bolded part? Because I haven't seen any reference to any opinions playing a part except those between the faction leader and the country being invited/asking to join.

 

[LordOfWar16]

Got a source for the bolded part? Because I haven't seen any reference to any opinions playing a part except those between the faction leader and the country being invited/asking to join.

well, one could argue that the "strategic reason" bonus plays a part in that. So basicly that they are more likely to join the faction because they have really good relations with a member of that faction.

The oppinion of the faction leader is no longer the only thing that influences the likelyhood of them joining. "Strategic Interest" is another variable that plays a role, just as "Similar ideology" aswell.

 

[kviiri]

well, one could argue that the "strategic reason" bonus plays a part in that. So basicly that they are more likely to join the faction because they have really good relations with a member of that faction.

One could argue, but I don't really believe that. "Strategic reasons" sounds more like "this faction/country will help me the best against my most likely enemy", or "if I don't get them on my side, the Nazis/Commies/Plutocrats will".