Diplo point bug

[Elin]

Hello,

I find many bugs in the 1.8 summary, is this normal?

As you can see i have a dip point cost of 0 in the summary but a 50 dip point cost written for each province. After cliking yes, i got the real cost paid and my diplo point was gone to -100. So it seems the summary is wrong and the send demand button switch to colored depending to what is written in summary.

In all my other conquers this haven't happened but i waited 5 years this time. May it be linked?

is this bug has been already reported?

 

[shoki]

had a few times -100dip points too in my najd game, but wasn't able to reconstruct when it happend.
Makes sense that the peace deal could be the problem.

 

[Curiouser]

I've never expected the dip cost calculations in the peace-out screen to be accurate. They've been wrong ever since I've played eu4, many patches ago.

For some reason, it's never been fixed either even though it is so simple. Everyone seems to have just gotten used to it though.

 

[Elin]

I've never expected the dip cost calculations in the peace-out screen to be accurate. They've been wrong ever since I've played eu4, many patches ago.

For some reason, it's never been fixed either even though it is so simple. Everyone seems to have just gotten used to it though.

I agree with you but usually the summary is wrong and the send demand is still grey isn't it?

 

[Curiouser]

Not sure what you mean about send demand being grayed out. I can say the dip calculator is wrong because when I actually complete the peace transaction, the dip pts subtracted sometimes end up being more (much more) than the calculated amount in the peace-out screen.

IIRC, part of the reason is that the cost is calculated as the total of ALL paying parties involved so even if an ally or vassal spends the pts to get some provinces, the calculation does not differentiate between what it would cost for you versus what it costs everyone. In this case, the calculation overestimates the cost to you.

 

[Xara]

So much about the peace screens is still wrong.

Start a reconquest war for your vassal? Give them control of all their cores? Diplo screen says that the vassal gets all the AE from it (although why the @#$# is there that much AE in the first place, full costs despite being a reconquest war)? Surprise! It all goes to you. I got 80+ base AE for returning a dozen Persian cores when it explicitly said they would be gaining AE. Not that there should have been that much AE anyway, since it was reconquest.

 

[blasteg]

So much about the peace screens is still wrong.

Start a reconquest war for your vassal? Give them control of all their cores? Diplo screen says that the vassal gets all the AE from it (although why the @#$# is there that much AE in the first place, full costs despite being a reconquest war)? Surprise! It all goes to you. I got 80+ base AE for returning a dozen Persian cores when it explicitly said they would be gaining AE. Not that there should have been that much AE anyway, since it was reconquest.

Hasn't got AoW, but I guess you need to have said vassal siege the province instead of return cores?

Then again, it is really inconsistent whether returning cores to your vassal will generate AE or not...

 

[Xara]

Hasn't got AoW, but I guess you need to have said vassal siege the province instead of return cores?

Then again, it is really inconsistent whether returning cores to your vassal will generate AE or not...

You can assign control of the province to them, so it doesn't matter if they led the siege or not.
And it wasn't "return core" at all - it was annexing the province directly to the vassal. Since it was a reconquest war I declared on behalf of the vassal, it should have been 25% AE - to them, for each core retaken. And yet it wasn't. It looked like full AE costs and the AE was given to me. The diplomatic screen explicitly lied on the latter part, and no explanation is given for the former.

If I had chosen "return core", the only option to do this pre-AOW, I would have paid diplo point cost for each province and gotten 0 AE for anything.

So why should I be using this new feature when it doesn't even function as it should?

It's not consistent. Paradox continually has this problem with consistency between what is displayed and what occurs. It's still annoying.

 

[blasteg]

You can assign control of the province to them, so it doesn't matter if they led the siege or not.
And it wasn't "return core" at all - it was annexing the province directly to the vassal. Since it was a reconquest war I declared on behalf of the vassal, it should have been 25% AE - to them, for each core retaken. And yet it wasn't. It looked like full AE costs and the AE was given to me. The diplomatic screen explicitly lied on the latter part, and no explanation is given for the former.

If I had chosen "return core", the only option to do this pre-AOW, I would have paid diplo point cost for each province and gotten 0 AE for anything.

So why should I be using this new feature when it doesn't even function as it should?

It's not consistent. Paradox continually has this problem with consistency between what is displayed and what occurs. It's still annoying.

Sounds like a bug, then.

 

[Curiouser]

I think that's working as intended. If you use a vassal claim as your CB, you are supposed to get the AE for it. The idea of that new CB is that those provinces bordering vassals but not your own land could not otherwise generate CBs, so the purpose of the new feature is simply to expand the range of claims. It was never intended to reduce your AE, nor should it

If, instead, that CB gave AE to the vassal, then it would be a dip-free version of the 'return cores' action which does cost dip pts, making that action totally worthless and meaningless.

It believe the new vassal CB is WAD, and it should be that way.

 

[Xara]

I think that's working as intended. If you use a vassal claim as your CB, you are supposed to get the AE for it.

Then why is it not the "Reconquest" amount of AE? That was the CB. Why am I paying full AE for a new feature meant to let me press my vassal's claims and use their CBs?
And the issue is the peace screen is flat out lying. It says the vassal gets the AE. They do not, I do. It says it's a reconquest war. It's not granting AE reduction for being reconquest.
Why is it not part of the war goal to return cores to the vassal? Why is there a diplo cost to this?
Why is it a choice between : Full Dip Cost, 0 AE and Full AE, 0 dip cost? It's a reasonable choice, I admit, but it's not consistent with the CB or the peace screen.

I want the peace screen to do what it says it's going to do, and I'm annoyed that it doesn't, just like people have been annoyed for ages about how the DOW screen lies.

 

[Elin]

You can assign control of the province to them, so it doesn't matter if they led the siege or not.
And it wasn't "return core" at all - it was annexing the province directly to the vassal. Since it was a reconquest war I declared on behalf of the vassal, it should have been 25% AE - to them, for each core retaken. And yet it wasn't. It looked like full AE costs and the AE was given to me. The diplomatic screen explicitly lied on the latter part, and no explanation is given for the former.

If I had chosen "return core", the only option to do this pre-AOW, I would have paid diplo point cost for each province and gotten 0 AE for anything.

So why should I be using this new feature when it doesn't even function as it should?

It's not consistent. Paradox continually has this problem with consistency between what is displayed and what occurs. It's still annoying.

I don't know if it's a bug, the summary is wrong saying your vassal will get the Ae but you get it. Bug or summary mistake, i don't know.
The difference between returning core or giving the control of province is the diplo cost.