Diplo-annex

[unmerged(8054)]

I'm playing as Bremen in a GC at very hard.

I've vassalized Friesland as part of a peace treaty, and through a barrage of personal letters, I've got relations up to +200.

I have a mil. alliance with them, no RM (they are vassals, so I can't have one), relations +200, rep: honourable, and they have been my vassals for 14 years.

But I don't even have the option to diplo-annex them.

They have a different culture (they are dutch, Bremen german), ad we don't have any common border.

Can anybody explain what the problem is?

Thanks

BzAli

 

[Sir James]

As you guessed, you need a land border.

 

[unmerged(8054)]

Thanks for the quick reply...

Well, I just have to work on annextation of Oldenburg first.

I have noticed that my diplo-annex are often turned down (playing as France), is this related to rep.?

Is there anything I can do to increase the chances of diplo-annexing?

BZAli

 

[Dark Knight]

Originally posted by BzAli

I have noticed that my diplo-annex are often turned down (playing as France), is this related to rep.?

Is there anything I can do to increase the chances of diplo-annexing?

Yes, having high badboy points lower your chances of successfully diplo-annexing. Also, the diplomacy rating of your monarch is an important factor.

 

[kurtbrian]

and how long they have been a vassal is also important.

The longer the better

 

[unmerged(6729)]

I have heard that you should wait 30 years until you diplo-annex.

 

[sirbruce]

Wait at least 30 years after vassalizing before offering the diploannex.

If they decline, wait another 30...

Bruce

 

[unmerged(9563)]

I didn't know BB points affected your diplo-annexing chances, I was England at 'Worse than Dishonorable Scum' or just plain dishonorable scum (I can't remember which) and I still annexed the Portugese empires diplomatically...

 

[unmerged(6657)]

Originally posted by Dark Knight

Yes, having high badboy points lower your chances of successfully diplo-annexing. Also, the diplomacy rating of your monarch is an important factor.

Your DP setting is important, as a good monarch who is living in a plutocracy won't vassalize or d-annex anyone.

 

[unmerged(5664)]

Originally posted by BzAli
Thanks for the quick reply...

Well, I just have to work on annextation of Oldenburg first.

I have noticed that my diplo-annex are often turned down (playing as France), is this related to rep.?

If either you or the potential annexee ar at war the button will be greyed out.

BarristerBoy

 

[unmerged(9389)]

well my problem is i cant even vassalize the country let alone dip-annex. Im spain and i have all the requirements with portugal but they keep turning me down. Should i also wait like 30 years before trying to offer vassalation?

 

[Castellon]

Originally posted by Wicked
well my problem is i cant even vassalize the country let alone dip-annex. Im spain and i have all the requirements with portugal but they keep turning me down. Should i also wait like 30 years before trying to offer vassalation?

What year is it in your game, Maybe they have a bigger empire than yours?

 

[JohnMK]

Originally posted by KwangTiger
I didn't know BB points affected your diplo-annexing chances, I was England at 'Worse than Dishonorable Scum' or just plain dishonorable scum (I can't remember which) and I still annexed the Portugese empires diplomatically...

You're right, it's a myth. If there is a relation, it is small.

 

[unmerged(9389)]

Originally posted by Castelion

What year is it in your game, Maybe they have a bigger empire than yours?

its about 1610 and im waaaaaay bigger than them. Im to lazy to mil-annex them but i will if i have to =)

 

[Castellon]

Originally posted by Wicked



its about 1610 and im waaaaaay bigger than them. Im to lazy to mil-annex them but i will if i have to =)

You have explored the whole map, so you know where all of portugal's colonies are ? What is the ratio eg 2:1 of # of provences you control vs # that they control.

 

[unmerged(8097)]

its about 1610 and im waaaaaay bigger than them. Im to lazy to mil-annex them but i will if i have to =)

No need to overreact. You can force-vassalize (0 BB) by taking all their cities (colonies and TPs don't count). Then after 30 years in which they grow better and better, diploannex (only 1BB per province).

 

[InnocentIII]

Your DP setting is important, as a good monarch who is living in a plutocracy won't vassalize or d-annex anyone.

So max Aristocracy is the key? I didn't see anyone else pick up on this comment and I wonder, is that a big help or a small one?

 

[BiB]

+2 on diplomacy rating for ur king is quite a big help.

 

[unmerged(8054)]

How do I get the relations to improve?

Yearh, I know about the diplomatic tools, but when I play, the relations between Bremen (that I play) and my vassal sometimes just detoriate for no reason I can see.

For instance, Hannover seems to loose about 3-5 points of relations pr. year, and we have same religion and culture.

But Gelre, they just keep standing where they are. They're dutch, I'm german, so its obviously not a cultural thing.

The rest of the catholic world has hit about +125 pr. nation, and then the relation will just stay there, unless I pour money into it. But it automatically rose to up there.

 

[Castellon]

If either of you control the others Core provence it will cause relationships to suffer. Putting his merchants out of business will cause a -5 relationship hit. Your religious tollerance settings determine in general where your relations will migrate to with different nations. Annexing, attacking and BB causing actions in general will also effect your relations, less so with nations you have a RM with or of a different religion than the target of your aggression.