"Different culture" penalty is back - do you like that?

[Denkt]

But, it should be far lower than the wrong religion penalty, which was a much bigger deal.

Was it a such big deal, everywhere? Muslim rulers managed to rule over large christian populations as an example.

 

[Limbojack]

Was it a such big deal, everywhere? Muslim rulers managed to rule over large christian populations as an example.

Oh, it was a big deal even if the minority was unable to break free. The Muslims were, of course, more tolerant than the Christians when it came to ruling people of different faiths so I guess giving us the choice to pick how "religiously tolerant" we want our nation to be could be a cool thing.

 

[Denkt]

Interestingly enough, this perk changes depending on how tolerant your faith is of others. There’s multiple variations, but here’s one:

 

[Limbojack]

I fear that tolerance is tied directly to the religion, denying the player to decide how tolerant they want to be themselves. In CK2 you've got the tolerance tech, but that's it. I

 

[Denkt]

I fear that tolerance is tied directly to the religion, denying the player to decide how tolerant they want to be themselves. In CK2 you've got the tolerance tech, but that's it. I

You can create a own religion and I suspect Culture technology is still a thing, I even suspect the Culture fascination is tied Culture technology.

Wel also have this:

Each County also has an opinion of their holder, referred to as the ‘Popular Opinion’. This represents the sentiment of the local peasants, and tends to decrease if you’re not of their culture or faith, promoting the use of ‘local lords’, vassals of the local culture/faith, to handle such territory for you - as converting it will take quite some time. Unhappy Counties tend to cause problems down the line… more on this in another DD.

Here it say that you can use vassals of the same Culture and religion of the county to increase popular opinion.

 

[Limbojack]

You can create a own religion and I suspect Culture technology is still a thing, I even suspect the Culture fascination is tied Culture technology.

I'd still like more influence on how my administration treats the filthy heathens within my borders, even if that results in other realms, characters, rulers and heads of my religion dislikes me for it. I sure hope the development of religions is better than the reformation systems for pagans in CK2.

 

[Denkt]

Player freedom is quite a big deal and is one of the Points in the vision DD:

Player Freedom and Progression: We want to cater to all player fantasies we can reasonably accommodate, allowing players to shape their ruler, heirs, dynasty and even religion to their liking - though there should of course be appropriate challenges to overcome.

 

[Limbojack]

Player freedom is quite a big deal and is one of the Points in the vision DD:

I sure hope they'll be able to deliver on that promise, but given how much they promised with Imperator Rome, I remain sceptical until I see in-game pictures or something similar.

 

[Atalvyr]

An easy way to model a realm being tolerant of a certain faith is to let the corresponding trait for the ruler impact the realm. In CK2 you can already gain sympathy for certain faiths, but the trait only affects opinion between characters.

In CK3, you could have the religion form the "baseline" for how tolerant its members generally were of other religions. If you then have a realm ruled by someone who is sympathetic to a specific religion, that religions members should be even less prosecuted inside his realm.

 

[Denkt]

There is also this Learning perk:

 

[Delta5ff]

the Welsh don't hate, hate the English, there is this sort of national batter inside the UK, the Welsh all shag sheep, the Scottish are perpetually angry drunks, the Irish are stupid and the English are all cruel and uncaring. But outside the banter, jokes and stereotyping there really isn't that much friction, I've never encountered any real hatred myself and I've been to all the constituent countries of the UK.

That sounds about right, what I said was mostly hearsay as I hopefully made clear. While the bias is mostly gone or played more for laughs these days or relegated to the more remote parts of the country.

I think that in the timeframe of the game when we were more actively invading our direct neighbours the cultural penalties should be higher than those that don't really know is half a world away.

Thinking on it there should probably be a sliding penalty for cultural penalties where if you conquer someone and you spend the next couple of centuries been really nice and benevolent towards them the cultural bias should all bit disappear since their getting treated better and they have better lives under our rule something like long reign bonus but attached to the country not the character.

 

[BeyondExpectation]

Was it a such big deal, everywhere? Muslim rulers managed to rule over large christian populations as an example.

True, but how many Christian vassals did they have? Very few that I know of, and some that they did have (Armenians) were prone to revolting.

 

[Axis89]

A flat culture penalty like the -5, does not necessarily mean a character is xenophobic, but it could simulate the cultural differences that sometimes creates misunderstanding because of different social norms.
Example is when people from Norway got to Portugal on vacation, and walk around shirtless because it is hot, and they want a tan, they don't know that it is frowned upon by the Portuguese.
In Portugal you take off your shirt at the beach, or other certain location's, but you don't walk around the street's shirtless.

Norwegian in Portugal, -5 relations xD

I am half Norwegian and Portuguese, I have seen this plenty of times(Not only Norwegian's though, many northern Europeans do this )

 

[Denkt]

True, but how many Christian vassals did they have? Very few that I know of, and some that they did have (Armenians) were prone to revolting.

Dont think religion would be all that major factor that made vassals revolt given vassals that shared religion with liege also did revolt.

The state of cold War/lack of diplomacy between christians/muslims in CK2 feels a bit off, think it could be more like EUIV.

 

[Krajzen]

To sum up, my claim was miserably destroyed but at least you have actually convinced me that different culture penalty makes sense

 

[Denkt]

To sum up, my claim was miserably destroyed but at least you have actually convinced me that different culture penalty makes sense

Now the question asked should be if different religion penalty make sense

 

[Arko]

Now the question asked should be if different religion penalty make sense

It surely does, yes. It was a reason for discrimination : excommunication, inquisition, tribute, holy war, proselytism etc.

 

[Denkt]

It surely does, yes. It was a reason for discrimination : excommunication, inquisition, tribute, holy war, proselytism etc.

And others did hardly care at all like everything else.