Differences in major countries' tank tech trees?
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That's kinda sad, they didn't even go with the T-44 which was a real tank :/
How do you know anyway, is the soviet tank tree out i haven't seen it but asked for it.
Have we actually seen the Soviet tank tree yet? I don't think I saw it, can you post a link?
They will be different. The base stats are the same, but each country has some companies that they can assign as their tank manufacturer. The Soviet companies will give different bonuses than the German. Plus if you have plenty of Army Experience then you can make a variant on the base model + company version of the tank. The Mk1 version will probably be the version that actually goes into production most of the time once war starts and Experience is being accumulated.
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Maybe I have it wrong? I think the T-44 is a '45 tech and the T-43 is a '43 tech.
It's meant to be able to handle alt-history. What if the Soviets aren't at war until 1943 and have time to replace the T-34 with the T-43 as originally planned? What if the war breaks out in '39 and the BT-7 is the main Soviet tank and both the T-34 and T-43 are just sequential upgrades?
I don't think he's ever seen the Soviet tank tree either.
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so the soviet tank tree is not released yet? because i did not found anything about it
ah, and what is about the american?
ah, and what is about the american?
My feeling with the T-43 was that it was a complete waste of time and resources. It didn't really improve much of anything, the gun remained the same, everything remained the same. The only improvement it made was that it helped design the turret for the T-34-85.
My personal feeling is that despite the upgrade system we have - make the T-34-85 the next step up, followed by T-44 and then T-54 as your MBT. None of this T-43 silliness.
they didn't pay any attention even to the technology tree. everything was a same.. just have different companies with very tiny factors for base stats. what a RIDICULOUS
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It’s a disagree because I disagreed with you. You should take it as that. If I wanted to spend my time thinking of new unique ideas on how differences between tanks (or other vehicles) could be modelled I would. But I won’t because I think the variant system is good along with the design companies. The developers did a nice job there. So no I don’t think every country should have “national modifiers” For every single weapons they have. Japanese torpedoes are the exception, they shouldn’t be the rule.
Also this is just blatant uninformed bias.
EDIT : You should also not be calling out forum members in this way, If I never looked at this thread again I wouldn’t have seen it.
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Any reasonable differences in tank tech are covered by the variant and company system. Remember this not our history. This is an alternate history where the Soviets might push for quality over quantity, and the Germans may adopt a doctrine based on heavy artillery instead of tank maneuvers. The variants and companies allow them to dynamically customize their units to fit their intended tactics - giving them additional bonuses or maluses because of what happened in real life would be pointless.
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This answer was made for the OP traffic70 to help him solve his problem, he may take it or not. I did not intend to suggest to paradox to change the game.
These suggestions are just quick examples to outline the idea, nothing more. They are not "blatant uniformed bias" as you so clumsily formulate, I´m pretty good informed about the historical things, probably better than you.
Well, whenever I feel like "calling out a forum member" who offered a opinion by clicking a opinion I do that, its not up to you to advise me otherwise...thank you. If you would not have seen it then, bad luck, I have to live with such things as well.
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T34-85 is in my opinion a 1943 tech tank and so are later version of the Sherman as well. bf109 k is a 1944 tech fighter, Bismarck is a 1940 tech battleship and Iowa a 1944 tech battleship.
Sure some of these techs may be represented by other vehicles but that did not mean that development stagnated such as bf109 k was a competetive fighter in 1944-45 thus a 1944 tech fighter not mearly an obsolete variant of a 1936 fighter.
Variants are only good for the years between techs but because each tech is such great improvement, later stuff are represented as better techs no matter what.
I think you should be able to choose which picture your variants have like you can do with divisions, if you wan't your German tanks to use the T34 picture you should be able to do so, and for minors it looks better then having shadowed tanks
Sure some of these techs may be represented by other vehicles but that did not mean that development stagnated such as bf109 k was a competetive fighter in 1944-45 thus a 1944 tech fighter not mearly an obsolete variant of a 1936 fighter.
Variants are only good for the years between techs but because each tech is such great improvement, later stuff are represented as better techs no matter what.
I think you should be able to choose which picture your variants have like you can do with divisions, if you wan't your German tanks to use the T34 picture you should be able to do so, and for minors it looks better then having shadowed tanks
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Agree, but for one caveat. A national modifier would "railroad" the game for the player a bit, true. But then will the AI on historical setting really follow the historical development by developing a T-34/85 for example or will it just use the generic ( boring^^ ) techs ( ofc including the tiny bonuses for designer/factory ) ? If vanilla game omits it and a dlc will promise to do it, then ok.
T-43 came 42/43 and T-44 came 1944 and about 150 were produced in one year
I don't understand this obsession with "historical" tanks/values for those tanks. If I'm playing as Italy, and I invest heavily in tank tech to get the 1941 tank in 1940 and I outclass everything else because I save up land experience and start producing a variant, and I name my 1941 tank the "Pepperoni Pizza XVIII", I can do that. History ends when you press play, everything else is up to you.
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This is nothing to do with the actual topic but please don't post the questions in red! I couldn't read them against the background at all until I dragged a select box over them. I know this is a selfish request but I can't be the only one.... Can I?
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Well the Soviets agreed with you because the T-43 never went past the prototype. The T-43 was unnecessary because they made improvements to the T-34. But if the war hand't broken out in '41, they wouldn't have made those improvements to the design, they would have just gone to a new design.
In game terms the Soviets decided to use the 1941 tank(T34) with 5 points of firepower, a few points on armor(bigger and stronger turret), and improved reliablity.
The T43 wasn't really a seperate design, I think it is a t34 variant with lots of armor(75mm all around) and low reliablity. Only a few prototypes were ever built because it wasn't an improvement over the T34.
The 1943 med tank slot should be given to the T44, It was designed in 1943-44, and around 1200 were produced. It was a great tank but it was too late for WW2 and after the war the MBT designs quickly took over.
For the MBT slot we have the famous T54 which was designed in '45 and entered into production in '46-'47. This tank is the most compareable to the British Centurion, or the Japanese Type 61 in the same slot(first generation MBTs)
The T43 wasn't really a seperate design, I think it is a t34 variant with lots of armor(75mm all around) and low reliablity. Only a few prototypes were ever built because it wasn't an improvement over the T34.
The 1943 med tank slot should be given to the T44, It was designed in 1943-44, and around 1200 were produced. It was a great tank but it was too late for WW2 and after the war the MBT designs quickly took over.
For the MBT slot we have the famous T54 which was designed in '45 and entered into production in '46-'47. This tank is the most compareable to the British Centurion, or the Japanese Type 61 in the same slot(first generation MBTs)
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