Difference between Theocratic Republic and Theocratic oligarchy?
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Main difference is that one is an Oligarchy and the other is a Democracy. So whatever differences are between those two groups of government are, those differences will be present in these two Theocratic ones.
We know that Democracies have short intervals between elections (every 5 years) while Oligarchies have much longer ones (every 50 years or so) so that's one difference. The nature of elections could also be different because in Democracies the entire population votes vote while in Oligarchies, as I understand, the ruling elite votes (so you might have more influence on election results in the Oligarchy).
We know that Democracies have short intervals between elections (every 5 years) while Oligarchies have much longer ones (every 50 years or so) so that's one difference. The nature of elections could also be different because in Democracies the entire population votes vote while in Oligarchies, as I understand, the ruling elite votes (so you might have more influence on election results in the Oligarchy).
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To me the best example of a theocratic republic IMO is the Dutch republic as acording to wikipedia:
During the Republic, any person who wished to hold public office had to conform to the Reformed Church and take an oath to this effect.
During the Republic, any person who wished to hold public office had to conform to the Reformed Church and take an oath to this effect.
Essentially mechanically the differences are two fold.
One longer terms means that leaders can build higher skill levels over their term, and do not cost as much influence to keep (because you only have to pay to influence an election every 40-50 years) whereas Democratic theocracies have more frequent elections, which means more term bonuses are available to pick (every 5 years you can change your bonuses since as we've seen with the Blorg each election has candidates with 'promises' or plans for their term) which gives you more flexibility.
There are likely other bonuses, but I do not know of any others at this time.
One longer terms means that leaders can build higher skill levels over their term, and do not cost as much influence to keep (because you only have to pay to influence an election every 40-50 years) whereas Democratic theocracies have more frequent elections, which means more term bonuses are available to pick (every 5 years you can change your bonuses since as we've seen with the Blorg each election has candidates with 'promises' or plans for their term) which gives you more flexibility.
There are likely other bonuses, but I do not know of any others at this time.
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In terms of mechanics, the Oligarchy will be able to build up its own leader to a higher skill level, because it'll be in power for a much longer time(40-50 years). The Democracy, however, will give you much more flexibility: Your leaders won't be as skilled, but with the frequent elections you'll be able to adapt to emergent situations you hadn't planned for, at the cost of some spent influence every few years.
In terms of lore, my headcanon tells me that in a Theocratic democracy, only citizens of a certain faith get franchise, so you'll have to adhere to the state religion to vote or become a candidate. In a Theocratic Oligarchy, franchise is even more limited: only members of a certain clerical class get it. Think the Catholic Conclave to choose the next Pope.
In terms of lore, my headcanon tells me that in a Theocratic democracy, only citizens of a certain faith get franchise, so you'll have to adhere to the state religion to vote or become a candidate. In a Theocratic Oligarchy, franchise is even more limited: only members of a certain clerical class get it. Think the Catholic Conclave to choose the next Pope.
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The other thing which hasn't been mentioned: An oligarchy will only allow electoral candidates who are already highly ranked (in other words, existing characters) while democracy can generate new ones from the populace I guess. This means that an oligarchy will have more choice of better rulers, making it overall better. I assume the democracy has some other options to balance it out, but I don't think we've gotten any insight into what those are at this time.
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I think getting the option to see more people in and of itself is a slight boost to democracy. You get some of the better once as oligarchy + a few new ones that might have a different set of agendas.
Democracy is probably also more likely of having more varying factions as electable and as such you can control them more with a democracy. Factions also gain popularity while their leader is elected, and 50 years is a lot of time accumulate power. You might virtually be gauranteeing that faction to enforce demands after the term is over, while democracy has the option of using it as a short-term stop-gap.
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Very good point with the factions, if one wins an autocratic election they basically control the entire nation, and might enforce demands, whereas in a democracy it could just quiet them down as you said. I'm certain events, and various other interactions exist as well, another thing is that the theocracy split is useful for ethos.
Theocratic republic is only locked to collectivists, and theocratic oligarchy is locked to fanatic individualists or collectivists. This means that it allows you to be a theocracy even if you have individualist views as a democracy, and without fanaticism lets you have an oligarchy, whereas if you go fanatic collectivist and spiritualist you have to go divine mandate to be a theocracy at the games start.
That being said there are other governments unlocked via tech, so we might very well see several more forms of theocracy, Irenic democracy for example is a spiritualist government type.
No, that isn't it. Dutch Republic was not even that special: in most pre-modern democracies (and monarchies for the matter) you had to be part of the mainstream religion.
In Stellaris, all theocratic governments (Theocratic Republic, Theocratic Oligarchy and Divine Mandate) are states ran directly by the clergy (ruler of Divine Mandate is called Archprophet while the ruler of the Theocratic Oligarchy is called Inquisitor).
So a Theocratic Republic is a state where the entire populace elects amongst the "Cardinals" someone to be their "Pope" for the next five years, and that "Pope" rules over all governmental matters instead of just religious.
On other hand, Theocratic Oligarchy is like the Papal Curia: the Cardinals elect a Pope who might end up stepping down after 50 years.
Divine Mandate is something like the Islamic Caliphate: ever monarch is a descendant of "Mohammed" and they are treated as rulers of the spiritual and secular leaders while also revered as divine.
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i find it quite odd that both the Republic and the Oligarchy give the same Bonus when all of the over governments have unique bonus. If I Remember correctly the only time that we've seen the bonus they give is in the Quill18 videos and so it is possible that they changed it since then.
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