Die please die too hard?

[anomalacaris]

I think this achievement is too hard in current form.
It's rare to get everything below 2, also rare to get anyone to 80
Rare X Rare = Pretty much impossible

I think the best candidate is Timurids for now, as you don't get conquered easily, and start with an old 1.1.1 and also an old 1.1.1 heir as backup... Still, it will be a serious boring day if I attempt this!

 

[IIWW]

Well, same goes for every achievement, thats purely luck based. Truly divine ruler, the princess is in the castle... they are not a real "achievement", since You do not achieve anything, you're just lucky/unlucky.

 

[Lord Finnish]

Too many achievements that depend on pure luck. It's the other extreme from the type of achievement you pick up by just playing the game. "Beat the first boss" that isn't an achievement, that's just what you're supposed to do!

 

[anomalacaris]

That's certainly true. I am just saying that this one in particular is too hard. Truly divine is easy with republics, and princess is much more likely than even one of the criteria in die please die.

 

[Argoneus]

You can play england along with the immortal Henry VI over and over, no?

 

[Hexmage]

Yeah getting a ruler with low stats isn't that hard (England's Henry VI is always a 0/0/0), keeping him alive on the other hand might be a bit more though.

 

[nicechinos]

Well, same goes for every achievement, thats purely luck based. Truly divine ruler, the princess is in the castle... they are not a real "achievement", since You do not achieve anything, you're just lucky/unlucky.

Truly divine ruler is not about luck. Every republic knows that.

 

[salmanbabri]

I would say countries with Iqta government would be good for this achievement. In Iqta if your ruler dies & his heir is still a boy then an event occurs which makes a retard your new sultan (usually less than 2/2/2 stats) & your current heir dies. I think before patch 1.7 this new ruler was guaranteed to be 0/0/0 but then they changed it to be not that bad but still quite horrible most of the time.

 

[ChildeR]

That's certainly true. I am just saying that this one in particular is too hard.

Define "too hard". What's the problem with many players never getting it?

 

[Stategem161803]

Truly divine ruler is not about luck. Every republic knows that.

Isn't it impossible with republics? You have to have a ruler that is exactly 5-5-5, which is impossible as a republic unless you start as Venice in 1444.

 

[MaXimillion]

Well, same goes for every achievement, thats purely luck based. Truly divine ruler, the princess is in the castle... they are not a real "achievement", since You do not achieve anything, you're just lucky/unlucky.

Truly divine ruler can be gained easily by playing a republic. Princess is more random, but can be significantly influenced by choosing the correct nation.

You have to have a ruler that is exactly 5-5-5

No, you have to have a ruler with all stats at least 5, not exactly 5.

Define "too hard". What's the problem with many players never getting it?

There's no problem with that. However, being entirely luck-based means it's not much of an 'achievement'.

 

[Stategem161803]

There seems to be disagreement on the 5-5-5 or >= 5-5-5 question. I distinctly remember it not firing for a 6-5-5. Other people have reported the same thing. The text seems to indicate exactly 5 as well. I assume people have gotten it with 6-5-5, 6-6-6 etc?

 

[AurochsAway]

There seems to be disagreement on the 5-5-5 or >= 5-5-5 question. I distinctly remember it not firing for a 6-5-5. Other people have reported the same thing. The text seems to indicate exactly 5 as well. I assume people have gotten it with 6-5-5, 6-6-6 etc?

>5-5-5. It will fire if you have a 6-5-5. However, you need to have a bad starting ruler, or it won't count throughout your game.

 

[Stategem161803]

>5-5-5. It will fire if you have a 6-5-5. However, you need to have a bad starting ruler, or it won't count throughout your game.

If you say so. I can't exactly test it as I already have the achievement.

 

[hwoosh]

Too many achievements that depend on pure luck. It's the other extreme from the type of achievement you pick up by just playing the game. "Beat the first boss" that isn't an achievement, that's just what you're supposed to do!

Too many? Really? I count "Double the Love", "It's All about Luck", "Die Please Die", and "Princess in the Castle". That's 4 out of 90. Hyperbole much?

 

[TheSamsa]

I definitely got it with a ruler >5-5-5 Ruler (not as Republic, with the Ottomans) but he had two 5 and one 6.
So it probably works as republic too.

 

[AurochsAway]

Too many? Really? I count "Double the Love", "It's All about Luck", "Die Please Die", and "Princess in the Castle". That's 4 out of 90. Hyperbole much?

Double the Love isn't even really luck-based. It's immensely simple to do with Austria and Castile. Viva la Revolución! I'd say was more luck based.

 

[grommile]

I definitely got it with a ruler >5-5-5 Ruler (not as Republic, with the Ottomans) but he had two 5 and one 6.
So it probably works as republic too.

... You're not supposed to be able to get that achievement as the Ottomans at all, since Mehmed the Conqueror's stat line triggers the disqualification clause.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

There seems to be disagreement on the 5-5-5 or >= 5-5-5 question. I distinctly remember it not firing for a 6-5-5. Other people have reported the same thing. The text seems to indicate exactly 5 as well. I assume people have gotten it with 6-5-5, 6-6-6 etc?

I got mine with a 6 6 6 horde ruler in 1.5.

Also, for this junk luck achievement the most boring and effective way to get it is to save scum a start where your ruler is really old. Lancrapster isn't any good because he's young.

Too many? Really? I count "Double the Love", "It's All about Luck", "Die Please Die", and "Princess in the Castle". That's 4 out of 90. Hyperbole much?

Grand coalition, respected, truly divine ruler, double the love, all about luck, die please die, princess in castle, Jihad, 3 mountains all have heavy luck elements. The only ones that aren't entirely luck are Jihad and 3 mountains (in either of those runs, you need early luck).

That's 9/90, or a full 10%. Inaccuracy much? Besides, in terms of "achievement", considering the questionable nature of "achieving" luck arguably one is too many.

 

[MarkS00N]

Try Majapahit...
It start with a 1 2 1 leader and even worse heir (a 0 1 1 if I am not mistaken) and for some reason very easy to get crappy leader (I have 1 1 1 or less for three generation)...
Problem is to make him stay alive because to avoid the need to have land leader (because I don't want to spend any MP if I can, especially with this kind of leader) I need to use him as land leader and he died a lot...