Didn't see Poland and Spain suceed since Third Rome

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Not sure if you have the same problem, but in all three games I have played since last patch Aragon has beaten Castille and formed Spain...

...which has one very anticlimatic consequence of no Spanish colonies at all, because Aragon almost never takes exploration/expansion.
 

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Minor complain: Hungary-Poland are rivals 90% times. Despite Crusade of Varna and Wladyslav of Varna royal ties. And Ottoman manace is still there in 1444.
It would be nice to have some "best bros" mod at start, or some event to go close with Hungary instead of Lithuania.
That would be fun "what if".
 

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I've seen more variable outcomes among the majors except Ottomans and Ming. I've had more games recently where France gets recked than in the past. Poland does seem to do worse than before and that is likely due to Denmark alliance with Teutonic order. Overall, I like it.

Ming and Ottos are always strong. Muscovy also does well, but as a player I try and target them when I can to prevent Russia from forming so they never get carried away.
 

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I just started a new game, and Poland already lost an independance Moldova war despite having Lituania as PU. Pretty sure Muscovy will attack them soon...

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However, Spain inherited Burgundy, so they will probably last in this game.
 

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I don't see Castille failing too often. It definitely happens but usually they just inherit their pus and go do whatever. Poland however. It is so often that they just lose their vassals and get eaten by Teutonic order/punched out by Austria/devoured by Russia/ devoured by otttomans /beat the teutons but then somehow get their coastline given to Denmark ( who is doing better than it used to ).
 

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Wait, isnt random outcome exacly what players want?
Like Ottomans colapsing. I would not mind seeing that more often.

I would love to see an Ottoman collapse. I've played over a thousand hours and the Ottomans have never failed in the first half of the game without my intervention. Of course it would lower the difficulty of lots of achievements if the Ottomans occasionally collapsed.
 

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That's because France is allying Aragon and both of them wrecking Castile. Historically France was pretty busy with it's own rebellious vassals (League of the Public Weal) and by the time France had sorted it's internal problems Iberia was united under Ferdinand and Isabella. The fact that France had it's own Japan thing going on isn't represented in game at all.
 

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Every patch changes the diplomatic priorities of the ai, so Poland is getting hammered right now because TO is allying Hungary and/or Denmark. It used to be, way back before Art of War that the Ottomans would end up in a massive dogpile war with Venice, the Papal States, Hungary and Austria every single game. It would wreck them all.
 

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My last few games for Poland (In each of them I'm off in Asia so no influence from me):

2 had PLC form
2 had Ottomans wreck Lithuania horribly and break them off from Poland
1 had Russia eat Lithuania.

Seems like business as usual.
 

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In my current Muscovy>Russia game Castile failed miserably (Aragon allied France and reduced them to a few provinces). There are funny things happening on Iberia, such as both Castile and Aragon's rulers being excommunicated at the same time.

But i think this is just confirmation bias. AI Castile was always kind of fragile with those terrible rulers. In most of my games they succeed in forming Spain, but the last few times they just kept at war with Aragon, losing/winning depending on their alliances
 

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Minor complain: Hungary-Poland are rivals 90% times. Despite Crusade of Varna and Wladyslav of Varna royal ties. And Ottoman manace is still there in 1444.
It would be nice to have some "best bros" mod at start, or some event to go close with Hungary instead of Lithuania.
That would be fun "what if".
There's no historical friend modifier between the two to make it easier for those poor, poor little Ottomen.
 

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Poland gets wrecked because Muscovy has way too much development and needs to be nerfed hard to make the region interesting again (they often have 500+ while France is around 480 or so in 1500).

Spain gets wrecked occasionally because Aragon and Castile beat each other into pulp until France or North Africa decide to take advantage of it. Also, sometimes Portugal declares war on Morocco with Castile favors (because of its Tangiers mission) but is incapable of crossing Gibraltar and/or sieging down Fez.
 

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Poland gets wrecked because Muscovy has way too much development and needs to be nerfed hard to make the region interesting again (they often have 500+ while France is around 480 or so in 1500).

Spain gets wrecked occasionally because Aragon and Castile beat each other into pulp until France or North Africa decide to take advantage of it. Also, sometimes Portugal declares war on Morocco with Castile favors (because of its Tangiers mission) but is incapable of crossing Gibraltar and/or sieging down Fez.

I don't think Muscovy needs to be nerfed (maybe slightly), just think Poland needs a slight buff. Because Lithuania is not a big help in wartime and Poland doesn't have a great power base. They get stomped by the Ottomans easily.
 

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I don't think Muscovy needs to be nerfed (maybe slightly), just think Poland needs a slight buff. Because Lithuania is not a big help in wartime and Poland doesn't have a great power base. They get stomped by the Ottomans easily.

No. If Muscovy is eclipsing France during its historical Time of Troubles routinely then it needs to be nerfed. Buffing Poland means screwing with the HRE and all of its neighbors too. I wish disabling Third Rome undid the map changes too.

Ottomans need a fat nerf and so does Russia. Instead of nerfing Ottos they buffed Russia due to complaints that Russia couldn't compete (especially after the Mandate of Heaven Ming mechanics screwed East Asia) and now that whole region sucks. Russia reaches the Pacific by around 1490. That's just stupid.
 

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No. If Muscovy is eclipsing France during its historical Time of Troubles routinely then it needs to be nerfed. Buffing Poland means screwing with the HRE and all of its neighbors too. I wish disabling Third Rome undid the map changes too.

Ottomans need a fat nerf and so does Russia. Instead of nerfing Ottos they buffed Russia due to complaints that Russia couldn't compete (especially after the Mandate of Heaven Ming mechanics screwed East Asia) and now that whole region sucks. Russia reaches the Pacific by around 1490. That's just stupid.

I agree with you, but Russia does not reach Pacific by 1490. AI Russia gets there around early 1600s. And Asia doesn't really suck.
 

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Why would it be the case though? What has changed in mechanics for the Iberian peninsula? I can understand with poland that they are counteracted by the stronger Muscovy/Russia. But Iberia??!?
All of that happens because since there was improvement on AI. People tend to see, what they believe is true. But since blobage of AI usually one of the colonisers is knocked down fast and hard. You have to take '75% of cases when' with pinch of salt. As usually it means no hard data, only 'I believe it's what I see' reasoning. And from my experience, one playthrough takes 30 days to complete. So "75% of cases" will be translated: I played two games, Commonwealth failed to form in both, I will make a claim on forum and round it down to 75% otherwise no one will believe me. ;-)
 

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All of that happens because since there was improvement on AI. People tend to see, what they believe is true. But since blobage of AI usually one of the colonisers is knocked down fast and hard. You have to take '75% of cases when' with pinch of salt. As usually it means no hard data, only 'I believe it's what I see' reasoning. And from my experience, one playthrough takes 30 days to complete. So "75% of cases" will be translated: I played two games, Commonwealth failed to form in both, I will make a claim on forum and round it down to 75% otherwise no one will believe me. ;-)

We have more than enough reasons to believe it's true. Not the number necessarily (75% sounds ludicrous), but the fact that Iberia has been hit harder due to certain changes.

One of the most interesting ones was the solution to the "France doesn't move its troops" problem.

Units get stuck because the AI can't handle one-province-crossings if they end immediately so nowadays France doesn't take Navarra and stops but fabricates on all of northern Iberia instead.
That solved the issue with France reducing half their army to mere spectators in any following war, but also made them take more from Iberia.

And many other things. Just because the change isn't visible or a huge new mechanic doesn't mean there's no change at all. They're working on a lot of things and some of them have unexpected effects.

Which is one of the reasons why I really really hope Gnivom doesn't fix the sea tile DoW bug. It has the potential to break the map and someone hinted at him trying to do it anyways.
We've had that issue since 1.16 and unlike France, nobody has ever complained. Most people probably don't even know that bug exists. And it could still be one of the most impactful changes on recent patches.

Just to give another example of something you might not notice, but what might change your game drastically anyways.