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Yeah...

That's why The Pentagon has so many toilets.

The err... citizens of Afro-Caribbean descent may have had equal rights, but they weren't allowed to piss in the same pot or eat in the same dining hall as "whites".

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Gets to crap wherever he wants...
 

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Did you know that:

Syphilis was a major issue in Occupied France, so Hitler sent blow up dolls to have sex with, the solders did not take this up very well.
Source : [video=youtube;j9CjcQSbVb4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9CjcQSbVb4[/video]
Other facts in the video too.
 

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Since the 80's, when he got command ranks and other high positions.

General Daniel "Chapie" James USAF; born 1920 died 1978 -- spent WWII training the Tuskeegee Airmen "pilots"to fly (he graduated from Tuskeegee U); combat in Korean War.

While far from ideal US race relations and/or anti immigrant biases (the Irish, the Poles, the Itais, the "yellow" Asians {Chineses, Japanese, Fillipino}) were never as bad as some in this forum seem to wish them to be. While on an individual basis, the victims of lynch mobs are just as dead as those who went into death camps the scale of the death camps and the extermination campaign is markedly different as were the pogroms, religious persecutions, ethnic cleansing exercises and mass deportations that many European countries can count as part of their history.
 

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Did you Know that in june 1940 the 75th NZ Squadron was prevented from taking off from their airbase in the south of france, to bomb Italy. The French military blocked the airfield with a convoy of vehicles to prevent takeoff. Apparently they were worried that the Italians might bomb them back.

http://rnzaf.proboards.com/thread/19463/75-nz-squadron-based-france
 

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20: Did you know?

That Americans were so worried about potential German and Italian spies sneaking into the US that they did a deal with Lucky Luciano in order to get the Mafia to help them out and provide the US Navy with information.
Members of the Mafia also provided a lot of information about Sicily prior to the Allied invasion of Sicily. Lucky Luciano provided the Americans with Mafia contacts in Sicily and another mob boss even became an official advisor to the US Army.

I could be wrong but I believe that the Sicilian Mafia may have caused trouble for the Italian army prior to the invasion too.

I know this isn't exactly an unknown fact but it's a fact that I quite like, since it rarely gets mentioned, even though it was known by most people at the time.

Thats interesting, because in the airborne assault of Sicily (and sardinia/corsica), 4 out of every 5 paratroopers and commandoes was British (roughly).

Although the 82nd and 101st were there too, there were far more British Commandoes.

Funnily enough, fighting alongside and learning from the British is pretty much the main reason the US airborne became so elite. They learn't from the best.

Did you know the allies built a 22 ton bomb that was roughly the same size as a German Panther tank? Called the Earthquake bomb. largest non-nuclear bomb ever made.

Could crush reinforced concrete submarine pens like they were made of paper.
 

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Probably a bit, but it wasn't the purpose of the sweep on the 262, and the sweep was not great enough to achive what is normally refered to when people talk of swept wing planes.
IIRC experiments showed that a Spitfire wing had a higher Critical Mach Number than that of a 262... :)
 

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73. Did you know?

Millions of Bengalis died of starvation or disease when under British rule in the famine of 1943/44.

This is made worse considering in March 1943, before the problem became widespread, Prime Minister Churchill applauded the minister of war transport's refusal to release ships to move relief supplies to India: "A concession to one country.. encourages demands from all the others. [The Indians] must learn to look after themselves as we have done... We cannot afford to send ships merely as a gesture of goodwill." A few months later he said "There is no reason why all parts of the British Empire should not feel the pinch in the same way as the Mother Country has done."

To be fair to Churchill, he was extremely paranoid about Britain starving to death and so he wanted as many transports as possible servicing Britain. Even though, as Max Hastings states in one of his books, Britain was actually never really under threat of running short on, well, anything really. It had the largest merchant marine on the Planet (making up at least 50% of the global Merchant marine (not including the semi-independent merchant marines of Canada, Australia, new Zealand, India etc) and from the middle of the war onwards, more ships were been built than were been sunk (and the only ones getting sunk were the ones who ventured out on their own, as the U-Boats were actually scared to death of the Royal Navy).

Also, the problem was exacerbated in Bengal due to the fact that Hindu and Sikh states in India that did have surplus food preferred to send that food to other Hindu and Sikh states that needed it instead of to the (mostly muslim) Bengal state.

I think that is what Churchill was referring to. There was, inf act, enough food to feed every famine-afflicted India, but internal Indian politics prevented proper distribution of the food. Add in the effects of the War and the Japs knocking on the door in the East and things get complicated.

But this all brings me to the other 'Did you know?'.

Did you know that the German U-boat branch of the Kreigsmarine had the highest death rate in the war? If you were a German submariner, you have a four out of five (80%) chance of dying?
 

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"Volunteer"?

Yes, they were volunteers.

So many volunteered, in fact, the British ran out of ammo, guns, uniforms and other equipment as they thought the Indians would not want to support Britain or fight (due to Gandhi's movement).

As it turns out, most indians didnt care and volunteered anyway.

It had the interesting side effect of massively boosting Indian industry as all the shortages had to be filled by the Indians building their own instead of been supplied by Britain.


Are you saying they did not love their benevolent British overlords who raised them out of ignorance and the terrors of self-determination?

It would be more accurate if you said 'Ended over 1000 years of civil and religious war, constant famine and other terrors and laid the foundations for a (mostly) united nation with a common language, laws etc'.

British rule wasn't perfect, no, but it was far better than what came before.


that said- the 1930's were a series of droughts and bad food situation, which subsequently led to one of the largest famines in the 20th century- 1943-44 'GREAT BENGAL FAMINE'. This was directly due to British policy that food for troops was more important than people,

No, it was due to bad weather, the El Nino/La Nina effects and the fact that Burma had fallen to the Japs (Burma at the time was the source of at least 14% of India's food).


though these 'wise' planners forgot, the Indians are primarily rice growing and rice eating people and rice consumption in Europe was minimal, end result all that rice was wasted in the docks of Singapore, hong - Kong, Alexandria etc, or fell into the hands of Japanese.

Source?

The soldiers volunteered basically because most poverty stricken families forced their younger and unmarried sons to join the army -
1. lesser mouths to feed.
2. some income generated from that person's pay.

Source?

Tell that to the people of India or Algeria or Korea or Congo...

Care to provide a source? I'm not sure baout the others, but i can tell you that there was very little discrimination against Indians in India by the British.

Hell, most of the Indian administration was filled by Indians. The British were by far the minority. Essentially, the Indians did in fact rule themselves, with the except of a handful of key points.
 
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But this all brings me to the other 'Did you know?'.

Did you know that the German U-boat branch of the Kreigsmarine had the highest death rate in the war? If you were a German submariner, you have a four out of five (80%) chance of dying?

How on earth did they keep churning out new U-boats then? Did the Kriegsmarine end up having problems training skilled sailors to man and captain their subs, the same way Axis airforces ran out of good pilots?

Also, every soldier technically has a 100% chance of dying...
 

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How on earth did they keep churning out new U-boats then? Did the Kriegsmarine end up having problems training skilled sailors to man and captain their subs, the same way Axis airforces ran out of good pilots?

Also, every soldier technically has a 100% chance of dying...

Max Hastings really rips into the German U-Boats.

Apparently, they were nowhere near as potent as is commonly made out. Their effectiveness can be quite easily brought into question. I would recommend reading Max Hastings All Hell Let Loose: The World At War, 1939–1945. And, in fact, everything by him.

The Germans did have very good training programs, but quality most likely did suffer.

Although many still volunteered, it was seen as a suicide position. Many submarines rarely went on more than a handful of missions before been sunk.

According to Max Hastings, there was no more than 60 German subs in operation at any one time. Which, in the grand scale of things, is not a lot.

Hell, i think (going from memory) the British had more Submarines than that, as did the US and Japan.
 

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How on earth did they keep churning out new U-boats then? Did the Kriegsmarine end up having problems training skilled sailors to man and captain their subs, the same way Axis airforces ran out of good pilots?
Bear in mind that U-boat losses weren't constant. From 1943 onwards, Allied use of radar, long-range aircraft and ULTRA code-breaking meant that being U-boat crew suddenly became far more dangerous than it had been before.

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Care to provide a source? I'm not sure baout the others, but i can tell you that there was very little discrimination against Indians in India by the British.

Hell, most of the Indian administration was filled by Indians. The British were by far the minority. Essentially, the Indians did in fact rule themselves, with the except of a handful of key points.

Source for Indians joining British army is not the theory you stated of Indians not caring, as for my sources, i am born and bought here and i have friends and relatives living all over this country, i am telling you things directly from the horse's mouth and not some 'book' written without taking local knowledge into consideration. People who actually joined the army (their descendants infact) are my source and 'vernacular' books (no internet links available, but well documented among 'martial races' of India).

Very little dsicrimination?? Source for that? Please read and then respond to such things, 'Koch' & 'Kube' also governed the 'eastern territories' with the help of locals.
 

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Hell, i think (going from memory) the British had more Submarines than that, as did the US and Japan.

No, the Germans operated nearly 1000 subs while the Americans operated under 300. The American subs were much more effective on a ship by ship basis though, sinking about half as many tons as the German subs did despite their inferior numbers and suffering "only" a 20% loss rate.
 

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Yes, they were volunteers.

So many volunteered, in fact, the British ran out of ammo, guns, uniforms and other equipment as they thought the Indians would not want to support Britain or fight (due to Gandhi's movement).

As it turns out, most Indians didn't care and volunteered anyway.

The British also ran out of guns, uniforms and ammo because pre war policy had been to prevent India from being able to produce most of these things for themselves.

It had the interesting side effect of massively boosting Indian industry as all the shortages had to be filled by the Indians building their own instead of been supplied by Britain.

That was awfully nice of the British considering that a lot of the Quit India movement was about how Britain had systematically repressed industry in India in order to make it a suitable market for British manufactured goods. British doesn't get credit for bashing in India's head with a hammer just because it felt good when they stopped.

It would be more accurate if you said 'Ended over 1000 years of civil and religious war, constant famine and other terrors and laid the foundations for a (mostly) united nation with a common language, laws etc'.

British rule wasn't perfect, no, but it was far better than what came before.

Oh yes, the "colonialism is justified on the grounds of helping those poor benighted brown peoples" argument. India doesn't have a common language besides English and it actually doesn't make sense as a single country anyway
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They were united in their dislike of the British, but once the British left, Indian unity has had trouble finding a basis. The British also didn't end civil and religious war, they just did their best to see that the result of each conflict would redound to the benefit of the British. The British also often encouraged religious tensions as a way of defusing opposition to British rule. The partition of Bengal was a British idea, supposedly for administrative reasons, but the result was the fragmentation of the previously united Bengali independence movement into separate Hindu and Muslim camps.

No, it was due to bad weather, the El Nino/La Nina effects and the fact that Burma had fallen to the Japs (Burma at the time was the source of at least 14% of India's food).

It started with bad weather, but that wasn't what led to famine. The statistics were bad, the government destroyed anything that the Japanese might capture including food, and Churchill refused to release British shipping to help in late 1943, (when that graph says that u-boats were getting sunk in record numbers.) What the Bengal famine said to India was that the 'benefits' of British rule were illusory.

Care to provide a source? I'm not sure about the others, but i can tell you that there was very little discrimination against Indians in India by the British.

Really? You ask for a source on his info and then assert that the Brits didn't discriminate based on what exactly? They certainly put all Indians into racial categories. Sikhs and Nepali's were "martial races" while others fell in other boxes.

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That guy totally sees Indians as his equals.

Hell, most of the Indian administration was filled by Indians. The British were by far the minority. Essentially, the Indians did in fact rule themselves, with the except of a handful of key points.

Yes, except they were made to be dependent on a global empire which they didn't run. British policy had always been to make India dependent on the British global empire and its shipping. The Brits were shipping food to Greece which is a foreign country instead of those who were supposedly British subjects in Bengal.
 

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Did you know that:

Syphilis was a major issue in Occupied France, so Hitler sent blow up dolls to have sex with, the solders did not take this up very well.
Source : [video=youtube;j9CjcQSbVb4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9CjcQSbVb4[/video]
Other facts in the video too.
Did you know? There are more wild theories about Hitler and Third Reich thana anything else, and everything you see on internet should NOT be believed.
 

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Bear in mind that U-boat losses weren't constant. From 1943 onwards, Allied use of radar, long-range aircraft and ULTRA code-breaking meant that being U-boat crew suddenly became far more dangerous than it had been before.

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BTW, how does that chart compare to number of active U-boats? They didn't really get construction priority until '42 (they take around 6 months to build) and more 'boats is more targets. It probably did get relatively more dangerous as more anti-u-boat technologies came into play, but perhaps not to the extent shown here.
 
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