did some meta build tests for the starting lance, feedback needed

[Gorski123]

Centurion with 2 LRM 20's and VERY little armor. its a 4/6 move. JJ are a possibility too. This barely works. A Trebuchet will have to run with zero armor and no JJ.

**Almost forgot. For PvE, need to add 6 tons of ammo too. I just eyeballed it. No link.

 

[godmonkey]

Dude, you posted this thread to get some ideas about your current build. Tnarien offers exactly that, not "FIX DIS NAW!" orders, you know?

i posted this so we could start the discussion on what the Meta is and what it will be for the starting lance. we just fundamentally disagree on a few things but that's alright.

 

[godmonkey]

Centurion with 2 LRM 20's and VERY little armor. its a 4/6 move. JJ are a possibility too. This barely works. A Trebuchet will have to run with zero armor and no JJ.

sounds...suicidal..even by my (admittedly low) standards

 

[kimek0986]

I want to transform Vindicator into a laser-boat: drop PPC and 1 heat-sink for Large Laser and 3 Medium Lasers. And replace LRM-5 with SRM-4

 

[Jaidenhaze]

Either you do a Treb this way: https://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=62&l=989ccc672f3d9f60ec1b752885ca8cae5c30d246

Or you can use another chassis like the Hunchback 4J, which is slow enough to take 2 LRM15s with extra weapons.

 

[Gorski123]

sounds...suicidal..even by my (admittedly low) standards

We will see. I am prepared to eject or retreat if something unpleasant happens. Also, you can downgrade 1 LRM 20 to 2 LRM 5's if you are scared.

 

[Tnarien]

Centurion with 2 LRM 20's and VERY little armor. its a 4/6 move. JJ are a possibility too. This barely works. A Trebuchet will have to run with zero armor and no JJ.

A single LRM20 + AC/5 Centurion build works if you're willing to stay at its baseline CN9-A armor levels. If you feel the need for additional ammo you can drop the MLs for additional endurance (15 AC/5 volleys, 12 LRM20 volleys can be loaded with baseline heatsink, armor and ML levels).

 

[godmonkey]

Either you do a Treb this way: https://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=62&l=989ccc672f3d9f60ec1b752885ca8cae5c30d246

Or you can use another chassis like the Hunchback 4J, which is slow enough to take 2 LRM15s with extra weapons.

the centurion would also work quite nicely as a lurmer

https://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=7&l=aef48c7bc367ac9d080d2ca13d02672b48631e3d

 

[kvetcha]

what part of the hide did you not grasp you can't direct fire someone if you can't see them. pick the spots where you engage so that you have cover when you cool down. same as in MWO.

Seems like you're making a lot of assumptions about the environments you'll be fighting in. Not to mention that you cannot fire then move without an extremely experienced pilot - by nature, engaging and alpha striking will always put you in the line of return fire unless you can reliably destroy your target in one go. And often not even then.

I'm not sure you can take a fast-paced online FPS meta and apply it here.

 

[godmonkey]

We will see. I am prepared to eject or retreat if something unpleasant happens. Also, you can downgrade 1 LRM 20 to 2 LRM 5's if you are scared.

scared and knowing when one is staring into the abyss are 2 different things

 

[Exemplar Voss]

a couple of flights of LRM5's will not have me quaking in my boots

OK? Vehicles and turrets happily sensor lock you in procedural missions and tanks and missile turrets don't pack LRM5s.

To say nothing of whatever mech mixes turn up...

 

[godmonkey]

Seems like you're making a lot of assumptions about the environments you'll be fighting in. Not to mention that you cannot fire then move without an extremely experienced pilot - by nature, engaging and alpha striking will always put you in the line of return fire unless you can reliably destroy your target in one go. And often not even then.

I'm not sure you can take a fast-paced online FPS meta and apply it here.

from the maps i have seen in the streams you always have cover if you want to have it as for the firee and then move what do you think i will go for with my vomit builds

 

[kvetcha]

from the maps i have seen in the streams you always have cover if you want to have it as for the firee and then move what do you think i will go for with my vomit builds

You're talking a starting lance build. It makes no sense to assume a max-level pilot ability.

I mean, you do you, but there's no need to get defensive when people critique your strategies.

 

[godmonkey]

OK? Vehicles and turrets happily sensor lock you in procedural missions and tanks and missile turrets don't pack LRM5s.

To say nothing of whatever mech mixes turn up...

yes you are correct, however broken LOS means that the missiles arent very accurate and most importantly you get your mechs into the guarded stance meaning each lurm that connects does only 2 points of damage

 

[kvetcha]

yes you are correct, however broken LOS means that the missiles arent very accurate and most importantly you get your mechs into the guarded stance meaning each lurm that connects does only 2 points of damage

Indirect Fire LRMs are plenty accurate, and getting into a Guarded stance implies either having Bulwark and firing from behind cover to begin with, or not having fired and Bracing instead.

 

[Tnarien]

yes you are correct, however broken LOS means that the missiles arent very accurate and most importantly you get your mechs into the guarded stance meaning each lurm that connects does only 2 points of damage

Not if the enemy has Breaching Shot.

 

[godmonkey]

Indirect Fire LRMs are plenty accurate, and getting into a Guarded stance implies either having Bulwark and firing from behind cover to begin with, or not having fired and Bracing instead.

that has not been my impression that the indirect fire lurms are plenty accurate from the streams, quite the contrary. regarding the firing part it would be the latter as the firing happened the previous round and heat is at max so move to cover-brace-cooldown

 

[godmonkey]

Not if the enemy has Breaching Shot.

somehow doubt that most turrets and Vees in game have breaching shot, maybe later in the game but not for a good 80% of the game time

 

[Tnarien]

somehow doubt that most turrets and Vees in game have breaching shot, maybe later in the game but not for a good 80% of the game time

Opposing pilots, both vee, turret and mechwarrior, play by different rules when it comes to what passives they have access to.

 

[Tnarien]

that has not been my impression that the indirect fire lurms are plenty accurate from the streams, quite the contrary. regarding the firing part it would be the latter as the firing happened the previous round and heat is at max so move to cover-brace-cooldown

The indirect fire penalty is minimal, especially against a stationary sensor locked target in optimal range.