Did CKII introduce anti-biotics and modern healthcare in the game?
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While it might still be true that many people in the middle ages got 60+ years old, if I read this table in your link correctly then the given numbers are hardly representive: For the period 1200-1300 it says: "Number of Males Observed: 7". If this means what I think it means (i.e. only seven men were chosen to calculate the average life span) then this table is useless for this discussion.
The above is irrelevant either way if we're talking about infant mortality. The issue a lot of people are complaining about is that of having all of their children survive.
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Infant mortality, I can understand why they made it the way the did, children don't die as often as they should but you're also limited to the amount of kids you can have, so the end result is kind of the same. But my rulers do seem to live for too long. If my guys going to live to 86, ok, but if he gets ill at age 82 he should not recover 3 months later.
The issue here is that they removed death during childbirth events and made sure that 99% of children reach adulthood. That for me entirely eliminates the element of chance. Now you know that your chosen heir will most likely reach adulthood and can plan accordingly. In a game in which fortune plays such a big role that feels incredibly detrimental to me. In CK1 you hoped your first heir with the great stats would make it but you also knew that there was a very good chance that he would die and that instead you'd have to go with his idiot brother. That's the feel of uncertainty that made CK so great for me.
And no, I'm also not against people becoming old. I'm against seeing pretty much all people who don't die in battle or get assassinated grow old.
And no, I'm also not against people becoming old. I'm against seeing pretty much all people who don't die in battle or get assassinated grow old.
My king is 85 years old and he just remarried and got 3 new children ^^ thats not bad even for todays standards!
I don't mind that my kings get so old, what I do mind is that my king that died at age 57 was nicknamed "the old" when you have kings regularly living into their eighties and nineties.
Well, what about the opposite? How many males were "observed" who died young? If you say, this source isn't representive because of the few "Test Subjects", then you have to conclude that sources which indicate the opposite but also only have a handful "Test Subjects", are also not representive. Which, given the time, means there will probably never be, and was, a representive source, according to you. So we never will find out the average age, or anything else about the middle ages.
Seriously?
That's a bummer.
I will certainly miss having 10+ kids per king and, through clever plotting and marriage, having my family line pop up as rulers all over Europe. A main goal in all of my CK games was to have a majority if not all of Europe related to me or be a part of my family line. I usually manage to even get the Arab world to be part of my family dynasty.
Now hardly anyone even wants to marry into my family.
I decided to join in the first Crusade around 1090+ (or whenever) and happened to muster up 10k units to ship over only to, during the siege, have some plague decide to pop up and chew 7k of my units then the enemy finished me up with their 12k force, horrible.
I've seen my children, and heirs, die from things. There were no messages about being assassinated, so I don't know if that means it's definately illness. But it's not certain at all.
Yes, this is right but I never claimed the opposite to be true.
Well, we can (and already did) find out a lot about the middle ages but if there were not enough data available (I honestly don't know how many death ages from the MA are more or less well documented - definately more then seven though ) then, yes, we couldn't find the average life span of the time but could only take a guess.
BTW: Isn't it possible to determine a person's age of death through their mortal remains? This would give the possibility for a much bigger database.
Yeah you don't have to keep dead underage kids in the rosters... just keep the ones who reached age 6 or so.
Infant mortality is extremely low. It increases when a plague visits but otherwise chances are very good (over 90%) for the child to reach adulthood. For a little perspective, in medieval times 50% of all children born did not reach adulthood. Not to mention that stillborns or childbirth deaths are entirely eliminated for so far I can see.
I wonder if it would be very hard to mod in. One event with a very low chance of triggering leading to a stillborn during pregnancy. One event with a very low chance of triggering leading to a dead child during birth. One event with a very low chance of triggering leading to a dead mother and child. One event with a very low chance of triggeringleading to a dead mother and a living child during birth. One event with an almost 50% chance of triggering that has the child dying before adulthood. Fertility needs to be increased (double?) to balance it out and for increased mortality across the board and during adulthood diseases and illness should be made more deadly.
Ok that children die less, but 50% mortality in CK is definitely not the norm, at least not in the final version, which is where CK2 began from.
That's just a matter of trying out and balancing. That these events aren't in at all and thus remove much of the dynamics and chance in a dynasty sim is what bothers me.
One or two events triggering due to low health and/or traits like maimed, ill and wounded with a random or medium chance of death would also go a long way in increasing overall mortality. Never modded any Paradox game. Wonder how hard it is.
One or two events triggering due to low health and/or traits like maimed, ill and wounded with a random or medium chance of death would also go a long way in increasing overall mortality. Never modded any Paradox game. Wonder how hard it is.
UM I dont think you have been swept by a few waves of diseases then. I had quite a few of my court fall dead from this including my character, and a number of his family. I also had a character go crusader under the prodding of the pope...after bieng excommed, and just AFTER the crusader was sucessfully concluded and he was on his way home on a ship he died from disease. AND he was only 26. I was not pleased!
Looks strange because delivering a baby was high risk.
Women bearing from I dont know to 40 or something. Any death occuring in this bracket and the consequence is that women who did not bear child or survive their delivery had more than 43 years life expectancy bonus.
I have not seen documentation of what changes as you change difficulty level, but this aspect of the game would be a good candidate for making the game easier/more difficult.
Lower life expectancy for your ruler, of course, equals more succession issues.
Lower life expectancy for your children, as noted above, means more uncertainty regarding whether to train children other than the first son to be non-threatening types... which means dealing with more effective pretenders.
The trouble is that the game looks so daunting at first that many people will want to start out easy. But once you learn how things work, the game turns out to be rather easy to succeed at -- so, after playing for a little while, you're going to want a way to make it more challenging.
Lower life expectancy for your ruler, of course, equals more succession issues.
Lower life expectancy for your children, as noted above, means more uncertainty regarding whether to train children other than the first son to be non-threatening types... which means dealing with more effective pretenders.
The trouble is that the game looks so daunting at first that many people will want to start out easy. But once you learn how things work, the game turns out to be rather easy to succeed at -- so, after playing for a little while, you're going to want a way to make it more challenging.
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