Did AE get tweaked in 1.23 ?

[Pelthis]

All is in the title.

As usual, to test new patch, I did some early runs with stupid blobs France and Otto and in both I got really early blocked by coalition. I'm not asking how to deal with it, I know the theory etc. But according to my observations it seems way worse than usual.

1) As Otto I took Byz and all former cores (only Ramazan as non main target) and AQ within 15 first years. Then I couldn't do any more war, as all Arabia and Mashrik region were hating my guts. So I know that Karaman and Candar gave me 4x more AE than with cores, but still, sounds harsh.

2) As France, I took Meath from England (11 dev), Nantes Morbihan and Finistere from Britanny (about 40 dev) and Anjoue and Provence from Provence (about 40 dev) in 10 first years (using BROT guy) so not even 100 dev in 10 years and got already enough people in coalition range and all western HRE around 45 AE, which means one single more province would have dragged them all in coalition too.

I never experienced such issues so early in the game. So, was it actually some changes about it or is it only confirmation bias ?

 

[Susanna]

Did you check the notice on the peace screen that said how much AE you would get? If so, what did it say?

 

[Pelthis]

Well it says I would get AE, but I don't know if the values are actually higher than in previous patches or if I'm imagining stuff

 

[CoolSpin]

Currently in my england run, im surprised I could vassalise 4PM burgundy, and could improve with 2 to avoid coalition. After leaving Scotland 2PM, feed the central Irish minor all but Pale and Ulster, and I was at 23 AE coastline holland at the time.

Pleasant surprise. Currently debating if I should attack France, cus its 2 GP vs 1, and Otto ally muscovy which both is at war over genoa with P&L assisting, getting beaten.. But GP intervene issue.. Castile (gp) + Austria + me (3rd GP)..

 

[TheMeInTeam]

All is in the title.

As usual, to test new patch, I did some early runs with stupid blobs France and Otto and in both I got really early blocked by coalition. I'm not asking how to deal with it, I know the theory etc. But according to my observations it seems way worse than usual.

1) As Otto I took Byz and all former cores (only Ramazan as non main target) and AQ within 15 first years. Then I couldn't do any more war, as all Arabia and Mashrik region were hating my guts. So I know that Karaman and Candar gave me 4x more AE than with cores, but still, sounds harsh.

2) As France, I took Meath from England (11 dev), Nantes Morbihan and Finistere from Britanny (about 40 dev) and Anjoue and Provence from Provence (about 40 dev) in 10 first years (using BROT guy) so not even 100 dev in 10 years and got already enough people in coalition range and all western HRE around 45 AE, which means one single more province would have dragged them all in coalition too.

I never experienced such issues so early in the game. So, was it actually some changes about it or is it only confirmation bias ?

This sounds pretty similar to 1.19 - 1.22 to me, by the numbers you describe, so rather than confirmation bias maybe you're misremembering standard AE growth in the area on earlier patches or doing something differently (high vs normal prestige makes a difference, influence makes a big difference, etc).

Note that when you're in same-religion conquests, taking land gives more AE than vassaling.

 

[Vetgirig]

1) As Otto I took Byz and all former cores (only Ramazan as non main target) and AQ within 15 first years. Then I couldn't do any more war, as all Arabia and Mashrik region were hating my guts. So I know that Karaman and Candar gave me 4x more AE than with cores, but still, sounds harsh.

Ottoman lost some cores. So you will get more AE from the same provinces since you are doing normal conquest and not re-conquest.

 

[Blust]

I was thinking I took less AE than usual... I annexed a bunch of orthodox and catholics provinces with a muslim nation, and no one really gave a fuck about it. I had my first "coalition" (3 littles states) when I was eating Austria. Sounds weird.

 

[Pelthis]

Okay, thanks for your answers

 

[deathbypie]

Might be helpful to add that in the case of the Ottomans, they have way more sunni neighbours, leading to way easier coalitions.