Diario de Mexico [Comments]

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Originally posted by John_Keats
Yeah, I would think the British and other great powers would be very upset by Mexico meddling in Africa... Are they Aprof?

I don't know about this. Nobody actually has a valid claim to sub-saharan Africa, except for the native inhabitants. Britain can't claim that Mexico is taking their territory or invading a British sphere of influence; the only problem ought to come from lowered relations as a result of competition in colonial expansion and jealousy over losing the race for a particular slice of the continent. (IIRC Nigeria was a rich bit of real estate in colonial terms)

I don't know how war diplomacy is handled in Victoria, but I don't think this should have too huge an effect on Mexico's international standing.

Have there been any sort of consequences for becoming a colonizer? Also among your own population, because you were just a coloniz-ee.

This, I think should be the major penalty for a new-world nation colonizing. Perhaps the USA and Latin American states would get malus for the number of people willing to go overseas and populate the new colonies, and a general rise in sentiment against the government which undertakes the operation.

 

[Spruce]

in fact, an alliance csa-mexico would bear bigger fruits for the alliance members compared with the alliance mexico-usa,

the aid of mexico to the usa would never ownership over california and the confederate defeat would reveal a strong union - strong enough to harras mexico,

no a csa-mexico alliance would be that strong, that the usa is forced to recognise it. Simply blockading the Southern ports isn't an option anymore because the condederates can send their goods to mexico. Second, it's logical that the Mexicans could reclaim their lost grounds in the USA ... being free states... so not hurting the confederacy.

And most important the Mexicans would have sympathy for the rebellion of the confederacy against the strong centralised goverment...like they did once before.

A final argument = the source of the abolitionist movement are the northern states of the Union. From 1835-1860, abolitionists didn't receive much sympathy - most states found slavery to be unethical, but still logical due to many reasons. We must not be hypocrit and say that the confederates were the last slave states on earth...

Abolitionist toughts only saw breeding ground after literacy supported their cause (Uncle toms cabin), and was also somewhat later on,

 

[Spruce]

They need however, control over the Mississippi!

 

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Mexico..in...Nigeria...

Uh. Okeey...

 

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ahem..... computer game?......

But seriously, excellent AAR, really makes you wonder what could have happened in history if you were to throw a god-like player-chancellor in charge . I enjoy all the new screenshots we are seeing, and all the game's details. This will undoubtedly be the greatest game ever. As far as Mexican colonization is concerned, way to take the nation to the world stage .

peace,

 

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What's the population after gaining an African colony, and is anyone actually moving there?

What kept you from taking more or all of Sokoto, it appeared you were walking all over them.

What's the population breakdown of Mexican Texas?

 

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Originally posted by AlexanderG
Mexico..in...Nigeria...

Uh. Okeey...

In this *game*, Mexico is in Nigeria because they wanted respect from the European powers, and they needed a base to resupply their ships who were helping Britain patrol against slave traders.. They are trying to be a respectable nation.

I think it seems in this game that you can fall from being a great power to a lesser power, and even to a "uncivilized" if you perform poorly enough... that means you could become colonized if you don't keep up!

 

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Originally posted by aprof

Yes, the top eight nations are Great Powers, below that you are ranked as Independant Nations or Uncivilized Nations.

Here is the quote from Aprof............ I think this will be the best part of the game! ! Any nation can become uncivilized if they don't industrialize, if they lose alot of prestige in a war (think Vichy France), if they don't have a military.

 

[Hakkapeliitta]

Originally posted by AlexanderG
Mexico..in...Nigeria...

Uh. Okeey...

I fail to see the problem? Are you arguing that a Mexico that has concetrated on industrial and economical development since 1835, avoiding stupid wars, does not have the economical and military muscle to grab some yet unclaimed territory in Africa in 1851?

 

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awesome AAR i'm seeing Manifest Destiny except Mexico going Eastwards!!!!

 

[Gothmog]

Greta AAR, one of the best I've read.

Keep those updates coming.

 

[daedalus]

Originally posted by Hakkapeliitta
I fail to see the problem? Are you arguing that a Mexico that has concetrated on industrial and economical development since 1835, avoiding stupid wars, does not have the economical and military muscle to grab some yet unclaimed territory in Africa in 1851?

Agreed. Mexico of the last century could have become a great power given the right leadership and the dictatorial powers that a game like victoria gives you.

 

[Tim O]

Originally posted by Seidita
awesome AAR i'm seeing Manifest Destiny except Mexico going Eastwards!!!!

I think it would make more sense for them to move south against the weak and disunited Spanish speaking countries of Central and South America.

 

[Amadís de Gaula]

Originally posted by daedalus
Agreed. Mexico of the last century could have become a great power given the right leadership and the dictatorial powers that a game like victoria gives you.

To be honest, donig the "right" things would have led to lots of revolts...There were lot´s of them anyway...

I doubt Mexico could have achieved a superpower status for many reasons...but then, anything is possible.

 

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Originally posted by Väinö I
If you look at the screenies you'll notice that there is even a texan nationality.

Which makes sense because Texans are just too strange not to be considered their own group.

I wonder what other American "nationalities" will exist? Yankee, Dixie, Texan, Mormon perhaps? I guess slaves will be considered African Minor.

 

[Faeelin]

Originally posted by Timothy Ortiz
I think it would make more sense for them to move south against the weak and disunited Spanish speaking countries of Central and South America.

I'd support a mexican argentina.

 

[Amadís de Gaula]

Argentina was one of the richest countries in 1900...

I just see México in México.

SA countries independence was mainly "mantuan" revolts, made by oligarchies whose sense of nation relied on simbols, but not on a strong central power. A spanish king was replaced by many kings, as they say...If the government does not favour me...I revolt...I´m a tyrant, peasants revolt...and so on...

.This is obviously a generalization.

 

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I stand corrected with my Texan history. But Aprof was playing it real smart by not taking on the US. He'll have his revenge sooner or later. Ola Pitsburgh! or Ola Norte Ciudad de Mexico!

What would be fun to see is how far he can push into the US before agreeing to peace?

 

[aprof]

Replies to some questions.

Did the Great Powers get upset that Mexico was colonizing in Africa? --No. Because Nigeria did not have colony buildings from any other power when Mexico built there, nor when Mexico claimed the colony. Had the UK or France already had a colony started when Mexico built her coaling station, I'm sure she would have been issued a 'Cessation of Colonization' warning.

What's the population after gaining an African colony? --Gained about 3 million POPs. Which was good as Mexico had been losing population to emigration. In my last save game, I'd reached 1860, and was just then starting to see a rise in population, due in part to industrialization and social reforms finally making Mexico seem an attractive place to move to.

Whats the population breakdown in Texas? --In 1858, the four provinces of Mexican Texas are sparsely populated - 4000 Spanish, 3700 Texan, 7500 African minor of various farmer, laborer, craftsmen etc. types. Can't give exact numbers of American Texas, but the ethnic flavor of the five provinces that make up that state in el norte includes Yankee, Dixie, Texan, African minor, Spanish and Finnish. Yep, America attracts more immigrants right now.

What kept you from taking more of Sokoto? --Basically my War Score being +24%, the Sokotans would refuse most any demand for provinces that totaled more than that. Yelwa, which was eligible to demand, required a War Score of 30% to be successful in getting it. That meant more war, and more war that I won. Vic doesn't work like HOI where once you occupy a province it's yours. You have to gain provinces through the peace accords.

Why the ACW general's pictures in the battle screenshots? --You have to remember that I started the AAR with the 1stOct patch. Since it still might be a violation of the NDA to say, I won't tell you how many patches there were since I started the AAR... [shhh] but there were a considerable number -- and likely more than you imagine; Johan & Co. are very productive [/sssh]. Things were improved with each patch, but my save game file has some elements that have stayed the same as when I started.

Can we see a map of Europe? --It's likely. But there's to need to wait for an update, let me direct your attention to Sytass's excellent AAR .

 

[Faeelin]

But I want to see a map of this german confederation.