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This 1st post will present reports about actions in the played session and edits done by GM after the session.
Pls edit Your diplomatic offers to other human players about any thing.

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A treaty was signed about spheres of influence in west Africa between CAS/SPA and MAM till 1820.
A treaty was signed about spheres of influence on Pyrenees border between CAS/SPA and BUR till 1519.
 
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Edits done to stats save

Lost cores: Caux, Maine, Normandie, Vendèe (ENG)
Baluchistan, Indus, Kalat, Kutch, Sindh (MOG)

Gained cores: too many ones to list

Added state culture: armenian (LIT) basque (SPA)

Lost state culture:

AAR rewards:

Mission rewards:

Vanishing AI rewards : 200d (SPA), 100d (AZT), 100d (HUN), 100d (OE), 100d (CHI), 100d (LIT), 100d (SIE)

Trade agreements made as AI: HUN-MEX, CHI-DAI, MOG-OMA, HAB-NVG, CHI-NIP

Loan taken as AI: none

Inflation taken as AI:

To weaker one in stats is 1000d tech investment + 1 DP slider change: NVG

War indemnities: 1y HUN, 2y ENG

Manpower:

Exchanged provs:

Edited wars:

Tech: 50 warships to DAN (NT lev 11 in 1503)

Compensations: CHI (Off +1), VEN (200d), HUN, TIM, NVG (150d)
-3 bb to MAM for TIM provs
 
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England wants to say that everyone should be cool, and happy, oh and here is a picture for Burgunday on the division of France.



As you can see, I am willing to let Burgunday take the Ile de France and most of the French provinces, I would take Orleans and Picardie only. And I would take 2 or Bourbounnais provinces and you can take the capital.
 

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Elio Vasa said:
The Sultan of Egypt sends a gift to great Khan of Timurids.
His ambassador waits for Khan's desires about lands beyond Mesopotamia: are maybe His armies moved towards Indian peninsula?
Otherwise the Khaliph in Baghdad will become powerful in Middle East area; the Sultan of Egypt could be useful about Khan's arabic expansion policy.
The High Council of Castile send their ambassador to the great city of Alexandria bearing gifts.
He awaites a private audience with the Sultan to know the Sultan's desires in the western part of the Mediterranean; the High Council of Castile could be useful in the Sultan's muslim expansion policy.
 

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Nagel said:
The High Council of Castile send their ambassador to the great city of Alexandria bearing gifts.
He awaites a private audience with the Sultan to know the Sultan's desires in the western part of the Mediterranean; the High Council of Castile could be useful in the Sultan's muslim expansion policy.
The Sultan of Egypt accepted gladly these gifts.
He just now knows about ambitions of iberian nobles upon muslim provs beyond Gibraltar. So We'll have an audience to discuss how creating a peaceful balance in western Africa.
 

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Elio Vasa said:
The Sultan of Egypt accepted gladly these gifts.
He just now knows about ambitions of iberian nobles upon muslim provs beyond Gibraltar. So We'll have an audience to discuss how creating a peaceful balance in western Africa.

The ambassador of Castille has been sent by High Council of Castille to put forth the following proposition:
Taking the situation of 1419, Castille (and later Spain) proposes that Morocco, Algiers (only Orania and Atlas), Songhai, Ashanti and Mali go to Spain (thus forbidden to conquer/colonize by Mamluk Empire) and that the rest of Africa goes to the Sultan of Egypt (thus forbidden to conquer/colonize by Spain).

This agreement is to be untill the year of 1820.
 

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Nagel said:
This agreement is to be untill the year of 1820.

The Council of Castile managed to define our sphere of influence soon.
The Sultan of Egypt is interested in unifying east Africa and Arabia in the game, not very interested in extending His dominions till the coast of Atlantic Ocean.
We still look at algerian provs, but in the same moment We don't want to get in the sea zones of spanish safety.
For Our side that treaty will be respected till 1820.
 

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Elio Vasa said:
The Council of Castile managed to define our sphere of influence soon.
The Sultan of Egypt is interested in unifying east Africa and Arabia in the game, not very interested in extending His dominions till the coast of Atlantic Ocean.
We still look at algerian provs, but in the same moment We don't want to get in the sea zones of spanish safety.
For Our side that treaty will be respected till 1820.

The Castillian court is very pleased with the agreement. From Our side, the treaty shall be respected till 1820.
However, the High Council of Castille would like to add another section to the agreement since it is not in our wish to impose restrictions on the Sultan's expansion policy. Should the Sultan wish to annex Algiers (for example by diplo-vassalization) but can't if Orania and Atlas are still in Algiers possession, then the High Council offers to buy Orania and Atlas from the Sultan for 75d each.
 

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The ambassador of Castile has been sent by High Council of Castile to the King of Burgundy with the following proposition:

Burgundy shall not move against Castile (and later Spain) or conquer Roussillon or Bearn or anything South of that border. Castile (and later Spain) shall not conquer any provinces North of Roussillon and Bearn.
Should Roussillon, Bearn or other territory South of it come into possession of Burgundy, then Spain buys the provinces for 100d each. Should territory North of Roussillon and Bearn come into possession of Spain, then Burgundy buys the provinces for 100d each.
Both nations shall respect eachothers borders for the duration of the agreement.
The agreement shall last untill the year 1519 with the possibility of continuation.
 

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The Doge of Venice and the King of Hungary now have a mutual understanding of the partition of the Balkans.

The Doge of Venice and the King of Castile have agreed on Castilian rights for Corsica, Sardinia and Malta from 1419 till 1519.

The Doge sends greetings to the Kalif of Egypt and inquires about their expansionplans to the north?
 

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Nagel said:
Should the Sultan wish to annex Algiers (for example by diplo-vassalization) but can't if Orania and Atlas are still in Algiers possession, then the High Council offers to buy Orania and Atlas from the Sultan for 75d each.

The Sultan of Egypt could use the chance of a diploannexion of Algiers in the game. Later there could be a fake war to lose those 2 provs to CAS/SPA or an edit after the session (for 0 ducats).
 

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Aladar said:
The Doge of Venice and the King of Hungary now have a mutual understanding of the partition of the Balkans.
Is there a startdate or an enddate of this treaty?

The Sultan of Egypt sends here a letter of presentation to the Doge of Venice. He clearly promises no expansion war about Balcans but about turkish lands, anyway there are Ottomans alive in the game.
 
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Elio Vasa said:
Is there a startdate or an enddate of this treaty?

Not really but i'm sure we can agree on one.

The Sultan of Egypt sends here a letter of presentation to the Doge of Venice. He clearly promises no expansion war about Balcans but about turkish lands, anyway there are Ottomans alive in the game.

The Doge would like to discuss the partition of the Ottoman penensula throu the diplomatic icq channel.
 

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Nagel said:
The ambassador of Castile has been sent by High Council of Castile to the King of Burgundy with the following proposition:

Burgundy shall not move against Castile (and later Spain) or conquer Roussillon or Bearn or anything South of that border. Castile (and later Spain) shall not conquer any provinces North of Roussillon and Bearn.
Should Roussillon, Bearn or other territory South of it come into possession of Burgundy, then Spain buys the provinces for 100d each. Should territory North of Roussillon and Bearn come into possession of Spain, then Burgundy buys the provinces for 100d each.
Both nations shall respect eachothers borders for the duration of the agreement.
The agreement shall last untill the year 1519 with the possibility of continuation.

[><] - Signed
 

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Elio Vasa said:
The Sultan of Egypt could use the chance of a diploannexion of Algiers in the game. Later there could be a fake war to lose those 2 provs to CAS/SPA or an edit after the session (for 0 ducats).

Agreement signed *hand shake*
 

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Elio Vasa said:
Many ambassadors around the world sent by Council of Castile, it seems (and with good results ;) ).
The Council is indeed very satisfied and hopes that the agreements will bring prosperity to all nations involved. It's is also our believe that more agreements can be reached since some ambassadors have not yet returned from their diplomatic journeys.
 

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The ambassador of Castile has been sent by High Council of Castile to the Doge of Venice with the following proposition:

Venice shall not move against Castile (and later Spain) or its allies and Castile (later on Spain) shall not move against Venice or its allies.
Venice also agrees to Castilian claims on Malta, Sardinia and Corsica.
Both nations shall respect eachothers borders for the duration of the agreement.

The agreement shall last untill the year 1519 with the possibility of continuation.
 

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The ambassador of the Kingdom Castile has been sent by High Council of Castile to the King of England with the following proposition:

Taking the 1419 map, England shall confine its expansion policy to North America (excluding Aztec territory) and shall not expand in rest of America (that is MA, SA and Caribbean).
Spain shall not expand in North America, but shall only expand in South America, Middle America (including Aztec Empire) and the Caribbean.

The agreement shall last till 1560.