DHE's for Scandinavia based on primary culture

[neondt]

I was watching Quill's stream earlier (EU1 with Johan) and a viewer asked why Scandinavia doesn't have any events. I think that's a good question; when you form SCA, you become the cultural union tag but you lose all the flavour events you would have had as your old country. And since the other two Scandinavian cultures are probably accepted in your empire anyway, that doesn't give much incentive to form Scandinavia. I suggest giving Scandinavia the flavour events of the country that formed it. And it'd be very easy to do.

In the Denmark, Norway, and Sweden flavour events, whenever e.g. "tag = NOR" is used as a trigger, simply replace it with:

		OR = {
			tag = NOR
			AND = {
				tag = SCA
				primary_culture = norwegian
				NOT = {
					exists = NOR
				}
			}
		}

So you get an event if EITHER you are Norway OR you are Scandinavia, have Norwegian primary culture, and Norway doesn't exist. The only "loophole" here is that Gotland will get Swedish events if it forms SCA. Though if Gotland somehow manages to form Scandinavia, it probably deserves them.

Obvious exceptions to this would be flavor_dan.3300 (The Great Northern Conflict), flavor_swe.3217 (The Engelbrekt Rebellion), flavor_swe.3218 (The Kalmar Recess), and flavor_swe.3219 (End of the Kalmar Union). As far as I can tell the rest seem appropriate to a unified Scandinavia.

The same could also apply to many of the DAN/SWE/NOR missions.

 

[jazzroen]

+1 I've always found it weird that you lose the DHE's if you form Scandinavia.

 

[Y. D. Dandy]

I've actually never had Norwegian as an accepted culture when playing as Denmark or Sweden. As both countries I always conquer the Livonian Order, Riga, and the Finno-Ugric provinces of Novgorod early in the game. As Denmark I always integrate Sweden before I integrate Norway, and of course as Sweden I'm eating Denmark and Norway piecemeal.

I once lost Swedish as an accepted culture in a Denmark game. Amusingly it happened as a result of forming Scandinavia; apparently Swedish was close enough to the brink that accepting Norwegian tipped it over. I've yet to lose Danish as an accepted culture in a Swedish game.

All that said; I second the idea.

 

[Sunspawn]

All formables lose the flavor events of the tags that formed them.

 

[neondt]

All formables lose the flavor events of the tags that formed them.

Most formables have flavour events of their own though (Russia, GB, Spain, Prussia, etc.). Forming Scandinavia results in a flavourless game, when it really doesn't have to.

 

[LordNeidhart]

I agree, it looks like a silly oversight that could be easily rectified.

 

[megaspider01]

I once lost Swedish as an accepted culture in a Denmark game. Amusingly it happened as a result of forming Scandinavia

It always says so when forming culture unions.

Also +1

 

[forrseti]

Most of the events are tag based, you lose them when you form. So good idea.

 

[neondt]

Most of the events are tag based, you lose them when you form. So good idea.

I think ALL of the DHE's that can affect DAN/SWE/NOR are tag-based. So SCA gets literally none.

 

[Karnak]

+1

Do it PI, do it!
If it hurts too much, then just give us the option to keep our old flag!


Suggestion:
Allow all formed nations the choice which flag they want to use of their previous flags.

(Yes i know that would steal Sweden's flag when they rebel against Scandinavia... They can get that half-flag that colonies use. Or the Scandinavian one.)

 

[Me_]

Most formables have flavour events of their own though (Russia, GB, Spain, Prussia, etc.). Forming Scandinavia results in a flavourless game, when it really doesn't have to.

Muscovy->Russia, Brandenburg->Prussia, England->Great Britain, Poland->Commonwealth, Castille->Spain don't, and I think that this is the model we should follow. I would however suggest a general solution:

add a new check that can be used for events
previous_tag = XXX

Then we could have events with:

trigger:
OR = { tag SWE
previous_tag SWE}

which would make the events possible if you are Sweden or used to be Sweden.