d'Hautvillle dynasty - line of Roger I of Sicily

[krzychon]

Few minor things.
Roger Bosso, count of Sicily (1071–1101) had sons:

1. Jordan (bastard), count of Syracuse (1091–1092)
2. Geoffrey (probably bastard), count of Ragusa - not included in game, he retired to a monastery to live out his days and died sometime between 1096 and 1120, not married
3. Mauger, count of Troina
4. Simon, count of Sicily (1101–1105)
5. Roger II, count (1105–1130) and king of Sicily (1130–1154)

Roger II had sons:
1. Roger, duke of Apulia (1134–1148)
1a. Tancred (bastard), count of Lecce and king of Sicily (1189–1194)
1aa. Roger III, king of Sicily (1193–1194)
1ab. William III, king of Sicily (1194)
2. Tancred, prince of Bari (1132–1138) - titel not included
3. Alfonso, prince of Capua (1135–1144)
4. William I the Bad, king of Sicily (1154–1166)
4a. Roger, duke of Apulia (1154–1161)
4b. Robert
4c. William II the Good, king of Sicily (1166–1189)
4ca. Bohemond, duke of Apulia (1181)
4d.Henry, prince of Capua (1166–1172)
5. Henry - not included, propably died young
6. Simon - bastard, prince of Taranto (1148–1154) , in 1154 king William I the Bad dispossessed his half-brother Simon immediately, claiming that Taranto was a too important fief to go to an illegitimate son - in game he is marked as a count of Syracuse and Grigenti.

Relatives of unknown relationship include:

Tancred, count of Syracuse (fl. 1104) and his descendant
Simon, count of Syracuse (fl. 1162), nephew of Roger I - probably by mistake treated as Simon the bastard son of Roger II


Sources:

Houben, Hubert(translated by Graham A. Loud and Diane Milburn). Roger II of Sicily: Ruler between East and West. Cambridge Uni. Press, 2002.
Curtis, Edmund. Roger of Sicily and the Normans in Lower Italy 1016-1154. G.P. Putnam's Sons: London, 1912.
European Commission presentation of The Normans Norman Heritage, 10th-12th century.
Norwich, John Julius. The Normans in the South 1016-1130. Longmans: London, 1967.
Norwich, John Julius. The Kingdom in the Sun 1130-1194. Longman: London, 1970.
Pierre Aubé, Roger II de Sicile. 2001.
Matthew, Donald. The Norman Kingdom of Sicily. Cambridge University Press: 1992.
Houben, Hubert. Roger II of Sicily: A Ruler between East and West. Trans. G. A. Loud and Diane Milbourne. Cambridge University Press: 2002.
Medieval Sourcebook: Alexiad—complete text, translated Elizabeth A. Dawes
Ralph of Caen. Gesta Tancredi. trans. Bernard S. and David S. Bachrach. Ashgate Publishing, 2005.

 

[Sleight of Hand]

Good work, I was going to compile something for Sicily myself.

Who are the de la Hayas? (spelling?) I always have about four or five of them as courtiers but some are Irish and some are Scottish, despite being full brothers.

 

[K-vald]

Noted, will pass it on to our internal forums.

 

[krzychon]

Who are the de la Hayas? (spelling?)

I think they are automaticly generated by the game mechanics.

 

[Sleight of Hand]

I think they are automaticly generated by the game mechanics.

Ah, I didn't know that. It's still weird that they have the same father but a couple of them have different cultures though.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Doesn't really belong here, but, 'de Haya' are historical characters. So they are not 'auto-generated' by the game.

 

[Sleight of Hand]

That's what I originally assumed, so shouldn't they all be Scots? And why are they in Sicily?

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

That's what I originally assumed, so shouldn't they all be Scots? And why are they in Sicily?

They founder is a Norman character, without a title. So he will appear in a court of a Norman title-holder, which often can be in Sicily.

 

[krzychon]

I think they are automaticly generated by the game mechanics.

My mistake :happy: