Dharma sneak preview: Republics rule! - Hamburg AAR

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No Hansa tag!
I disagree there should eb a way to form a centralized hansa even if it's just by conquering the core hansa territory.
If you own MN the trade League Lübeck controls at game start is the Hansa. Looks like you own it (judging from your forum icon), so you’re in luck!
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I can accept that it represents the hansas at the state it is in in 1444 (well not really but it's not what i want to discuss). What I'm talking about is a centralized hansa, a formable tag in northern Germany that doesn't flip me to monarchy or require me to be one.

And quite frankly trade leagues as in the game right now are utterly boring to play. They took an intresting tag and turned it into a boring roadbump against the blobbing of others.

And finally the hansa tag should be in the game files if nothing else so that the hansa when exported from ck2 does not convert to lübeck.

Seriously if it would enhance my enjoyment of the game why do you care? if you don't like it, don't form it.
 
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Religious is now even less useful as I can only convert full cores.
You have no idea how happy it makes me to hear that the conversion restrictions will be a meaningful feature over a clunky micro task of just unstating and stating land over and over. Thanks for all the information and fun stories you provide in this AAR!
 

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@Pizzicato Doing a tall run, why haven’t you chosen Economic? Especially in regards to the finisher.

I probably should have. I actually thought about it but usually a reason to take it is to increase early game income. I never had an income problem and wasting so many admin points early on an idea group I barely use felt bad. In general I am not a big fan of the group: tax modifier is weak for endgame and interest reduction is not as good as it used to be when it was a full percent and you could stack it. Maybe it is time to revisit rarely used idea groups: First time in forever that I took quantity and really liked it. Same with humanist - I usually do the rebel whack a mole and take religious instead. Much less micro in this one.

Disclaimer: Again, these are all only personal, non-official opinions in my posts here. :p I'm just a fan (addict) with privileged early access. ;)

Coz he's blobing, not playing tall at all ;)

You got me there. As I said from the start I always end up blobbing and playing wide. To be fair though I am not over the territory limit - the new, almost official measure if you are blobbing or not. :D And Ireland, my initial home base, has rarely ever seen so much development. In Hamburg, cow provinces are the crown jewels in the Hamburgian Buergermeister's top hat with manufactory bling bling. :cool:

I really feel that I have a more settled pace for this run than usual. However, I do catch myself feeling guilty every time my country is at peace and I am not coring. :rolleyes:

Typed in a Deutsche Bahn train from Gamescom City / Cologne to glorious Hamburg - empire on the Elbe river.


(PS I'm not a football fan or see this song as an endorsement of the football club HSV - I just like the city as a very pleasant, Nordic city ;))
 

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I probably should have. I actually thought about it but usually a reason to take it is to increase early game income. I never had an income problem and wasting so many admin points early on an idea group I barely use felt bad. In general I am not a big fan of the group: tax modifier is weak for endgame and interest reduction is not as good as it used to be when it was a full percent and you could stack it. Maybe it is time to revisit rarely used idea groups: First time in forever that I took quantity and really liked it. Same with humanist - I usually do the rebel whack a mole and take religious instead. Much less micro in this one.

Disclaimer: Again, these are all only personal, non-official opinions in my posts here. :p I'm just a fan (addict) with privileged early access. ;)



You got me there. As I said from the start I always end up blobbing and playing wide. To be fair though I am not over the territory limit - the new, almost official measure if you are blobbing or not. :D And Ireland, my initial home base, has rarely ever seen so much development. In Hamburg, cow provinces are the crown jewels in the Hamburgian Buergermeister's top hat with manufactory bling bling. :cool:

I really feel that I have a more settled pace for this run than usual. However, I do catch myself feeling guilty every time my country is at peace and I am not coring. :rolleyes:

Typed in a Deutsche Bahn train from Gamescom City / Cologne to glorious Hamburg - empire on the Elbe river.


(PS I'm not a football fan or see this song as an endorsement of the football club HSV - I just like the city as a very pleasant, Nordic city ;))
Hamburg is an awesome city. All my friends moved to Stockholm but if I can i'll definitely be moving to Hamburg when I get my degree.
 

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One thing I don't quite understand: how do you keep your republic tradition high enough? If you have elections every 3 years, it also means you have to pay 10 tradition every 3 years to keep your guy. Monarch power burning events from low tradition are quite severe while strengthening government is expensive (in price/effect department), so you often get stuck with no benefit from high stats on your guy due to frequent events. Something changed?
 

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One thing I don't quite understand: how do you keep your republic tradition high enough? If you have elections every 3 years, it also means you have to pay 10 tradition every 3 years to keep your guy. Monarch power burning events from low tradition are quite severe while strengthening government is expensive (in price/effect department), so you often get stuck with no benefit from high stats on your guy due to frequent events. Something changed?

If I remember right, different election length also change the "re-election" cost of republic tradition.

IE if it was a shorter term then you pay less. Longer term you pay more.

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Yup it does scale.
 

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One thing I don't quite understand: how do you keep your republic tradition high enough? If you have elections every 3 years, it also means you have to pay 10 tradition every 3 years to keep your guy. Monarch power burning events from low tradition are quite severe while strengthening government is expensive (in price/effect department), so you often get stuck with no benefit from high stats on your guy due to frequent events. Something changed?

As @Tavior said it scales. 3 years used to be 8 RT, now my five year term costs 12.

How did I keep it up?
  • The awesomeness of Hamburgian Ideas mostly. Their second idea is "Burgher Republic" giving me a whopping 0.50RT/year. :cool:
  • Tier 2 Reform "Republicanism" giving an extra 0.2RT
  • I also switched to Protestant for the extra 0.1RT.
  • Power Projection 0.1RT
  • Trading in Chinaware 0.12RT
I usually hovered at about 1.8-1.9RT/year over most of the game. Hence, for a 3-year term I would only loose about 2.6 RT per reelection cycle. That is less than one "strengthen government" per cycle. With a 666 ruler that 33mil/year or ~3mil/month is not too bad. I am Hamburg, i have the cash to hire advisors as well. Never fell behind in mil tech, actually had to dump quite a few mil into development.

Here is the full RT gain list (year 1675 - I just recently got the Chinaware bonus) & my ideas
HAM Ideas & RT gain.jpg


Btw, the main campaign goal, Bunte Kuh achievement, has been reached!!! :cool::D
Bunte Kuh done.JPG


Here are the trade goods:
ham trade goods 1675 (2).jpg

Gems (~45%) - as you can see I went for India due to trade company being pretty awesome and Koromandel being full of Gems.
Cows (20.00%) - Ireland as homebase, Denmark & bordergore in Poland (sorry :oops:)

Next post I will go through trade company & port upgrades (as promised) and trade network changes (oh boy, Cape is goooooood! :D)
 

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Ok so I'm still failing to grasp what the devs wanted with these changes.

You have a limit of territories you can have without incurring Corruption.

You can't convert the religion of non-full cores.

Trade Companies don't count for the Corruption from territories, nor to Religious Unity, and iirc they also don't get Intolerance.

Trade Companies are territories with 0% autonomy.

Trade Companies also get new buildings which make them even stronger.


How does this stop blobbing? Like, just look at Pizzicato's pics. He conquered South Africa, half of India and most of SEA. Hell, he even conquered a nice chunk of Britain. Isn't this blobbing? Because it sure as hell isn't tall, he doesn't even seem to have vassals.

No offense to Pizzicato but this AAR is pretty much "hey guys look Republics can get Absolutism now", because everything else is literally what your average player can do - and usually does - in the 1.25 patch. I'm not gonna lie that it's interesting to know these new things, but there doesn't seem to be any challenge added with the new changes in Dharma. Dealing with the riches coming from the Trade Companies has no downside, on the contrary, you can get even more of them. Whatever risks the increased corruption and lack of conversion would offer absolutely doesn't affect most of this Hamburgian empire (duchy?) as it's all TCland.

It also tells the average player what was obvious from the DDs - just conquer TC areas and an trade endnode and call it a day. If you really want to waste time and ADM you can conquer other regions but it will be suboptimal unless you take Humanist which has been the only option for years (even Pizzicato took it and this was an RP game!). In fact, even the news of Republics getting high Absolutism is bad - because it means the best way to play is always to increase it, as there's no downside to it and no counterpart to it.