Yes. So the tiny amount of reforestation doesn't affect climate change.
I don't really know what your point is here.
I didn't claim that population densities were high enough to affect climate change. I stated the opposite.
DEVS: Why are Irish provinces all woods?
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I don't really know what your point is here.
My point? I never claimed it did affect climate change? In fact I said that I was skeptical about it starting the little ice age, since it seems much more likely that is tied together with the Maunder minimum.
Ah I misread you; why did you bring up the theory of the reforestation leading to climate change then? After all nobody had talked about it before you brought it up?
can we change the name of the thread to "Why are Irish provinces all woods?/deforestation and populations of North and/or central america discussion"?
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this guy brought it up.
Of which I responded saying somtimes scholars like to write crazy theories just to publish a paper.
Back on topic:
I like these suggestions. Ireland should be edited to something along these lines.
I also think that western europe needs about 10-20% more provicnes so that it doesn't look so wierd compared to everything east of France.
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it is a bit ridiculous that Ireland is 64% the size of England but gets only 33% of its provinces. I know it had a bigger population but around those times i dont think the difference was THAT much.
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I'm not sure how you adequately represent Ireland in EUIV. In the 16th century it was a great drain on England's manpower resources to subdue. The Earl of Essex's army, estimated at 17,000 experienced soldiers was whittled down to nothing leading to him having to negotiate a truce with Hugh O'Neill, to the detriment of his relationship with Elizabeth. Yet in the latter part of the 18th century Ireland provided 40% of the United Kingdom's infantry.
How do you reflect that in game? Should most of Ireland's development be in manpower as opposed to base tax and production reflecting its relative poverty? As for terrain, if provinces are added, most of them should be terrain that is disadvantageous to enemy forces. Many would have been heavily forested, but others would have had bogs and hills which proved difficult for artillery and heavy cavalry.
How do you reflect that in game? Should most of Ireland's development be in manpower as opposed to base tax and production reflecting its relative poverty? As for terrain, if provinces are added, most of them should be terrain that is disadvantageous to enemy forces. Many would have been heavily forested, but others would have had bogs and hills which proved difficult for artillery and heavy cavalry.
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There should be Hiberno-Norman factions in Ireland. Norman Lords in Ireland were kingmakers during the War of the Roses.
The Earl of Kildare was supposedly the most powerful and autonomous vassal of the King of England at this time.
The Earl of Kildare was supposedly the most powerful and autonomous vassal of the King of England at this time.
i dunno how that culture would work. would it be part of the Celtic group or English? maybe a nation(extra meath/kildare Provence?) with English culture but Irish accepted?
Certainly. If we could break Meath up, the western portion could be under the auspices of the Earl of Kildare as a vassal, while the eastern portion could be under direct rule of London. Leinster could also be broken up between the Norman Butlers and the Gaelic MacMurrough Kavanaghs, the former being the richer and Munster between the O'Brien's and the Norman Earls of Desmond. The Gaelicised Burkes (perhaps Hiberno-Norman with Irish cultured province) should also feature in Connacht with an extra Gaelic faction in the North, Tyrconnell being my favoured choice.
For the purposes of this time period, Celtic. More Irish than the Irish.
Old English should be a culture. Dublin should be similar to how Calais is for France. It should be directly owned by England and England should have a few vassals.
Currently conquering Ireland is just an oversight for an England game. It's always there, it will never be a threat. Plausibly, imagine a powerful Hiberno-Norman Lord who was de facto independent who dominates Ireland, with a weak England and declares himself King of Ireland. Very interesting.
Historically, the Normans who colonised Ireland 'became more Irish than the Irish themselves'. These Lords spoke Irish at court, wore Irish dress, married Irish clans and took part in Irish customs like Cattle raids. Later, the Old English in Ireland were staunch Catholics and this reinforced their own sense of identity more with the Irish than the later 'New English'.
Irish lordships would have supported a high amount of soldiers for their size. Mercenaries, be they gallowglass, kernes, or the later redshanks and buannachta were supported by billeting or coyne and livery which exacted a heavy toll on ordinary peasant populations. I think a high manpower but a low tax and production could be justified for that reason.
There's certainly code in place for it, though. Wouldn't even be difficult to implement. If tag is IRE, owned provinces include all in Ireland region, development of Dublin is over certain value, THEN add province modifier: Center of Trade. Season with event text and a picture to taste.
(Adding a trade node would be way harder, but making centers of trade dynamic for a certain value thereof would be easy.)
Why? Meath had been defunct for centuries. If Ireland needs another province, this would be near the bottom of the list.
Woods in Ireland
Couldn't resist..
On topic: the trees on the map are so small one tree can represent a forest so to speak.
An army (especially rebels) would always hide in a small forest.
Saying Ireland provinces weren't 'forest' in 1444 stretches it a bit I think.
But maybe paradox could agree to remove some of the tree sprites and add some lambs?
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