DEVS: Why are Irish provinces all woods?

[Atlantians]

While Ireland was widely forested long ago, it hasn''t been so in some time, and I believe this includes the EU time-frame.

Shouldn't they be grassland and maybe one or two farmland?

Also, the provinces should have some of their exports changed to 'naval supplies' and 'salt'.

 

[Junuxx]

Hmm agree. It's probably a lot more forested now than it was before the Great Famine.

 

[grisamentum]

Allegedly the deforestation of Ireland began around 1390, but it took a few centuries. In 1444 it should still be mostly forest:

http://www.rohanlon.org/downloads/O'Hanlon Forestry Source June 2012.pdf

 

[Atlantians]

Earlier than that, it was immensely forested during and before Roman times.

But by the time of EU4, there were 'extensive' forests, but that didn't define the region as it had before.

https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/medi...tservice/IrishForestryAbriefhistory200810.pdf

While one or two 'woods' provinces might be warranted, these would need to have their trade goods changed to 'naval supplies'.

The all Fish and Grain is just sad.

 

[aragonFTW]

Isn't this partly for balance though? Irish unification, conquest, or development should not be ahistorically easy.

 

[Snugwow]

Ireland could probably use 1 or 2 new provinces anyway, and perhaps a CoT in Dublin.

 

[Atlantians]

Isn't this partly for balance though? Irish unification, conquest, or development should not be ahistorically easy.

They are 5 poor and undeveloped provinces with the worst trade goods and a rather high development malus.

Ireland could probably use 1 or 2 new provinces anyway, and perhaps a CoT in Dublin.

Yes! At least the CoT. But the provinces would likely not come for a while.

 

[Junuxx]

Isn't this partly for balance though? Irish unification, conquest, or development should not be ahistorically easy.

Connacht and Munster could be hills, too.

 

[fornever1]

Connacht and Munster could be hills, too.

Connacht should definitely be Hills at the very least. I also feel that England owning all of meath at the start is unhistorical.

 

[Haldan]

potato famine

 

[fornever1]

potatoe famine

What does this have to do with the woods in Ireland?

 

[Atlantians]

Connacht should definitely be Hills at the very least. I also feel that England owning all of meath at the start is unhistorical.

Would 'highlands' be more appropriate?

Maybe have Ulster, Connaught, and Munster as 'highland', with Leinster as 'farmland' and Meath as either 'marsh' or 'grassland'?

 

[fornever1]

Would 'Highlands' be more appropriate?

yeah it would actually. either highlands or hills. they would be way more appropriate then woodlands. Connacht is know for having the worst land on the island since it is much more hilly and rocky then the rest. having them all woodlands would imply all the land is equal, even though it wasn't.

 

[tfjs]

They are 5 poor and undeveloped provinces with the worst trade goods and a rather high development malus.

I think this is the reason and given Ireland's position in European history prior to and after the start date this is probably a fair reflection.
Hilly (rocky) or wooded either would work and have much the same impact. There should be a high attrition rate for non Irish armies and maybe slower rate of decreasing autonomy to encourage it to be difficult and not much benefit in conquering. Having said that though none of that should affect Irish cultures in Ireland; maybe give them a small bonus somehow like increased lowered autonomy or increased tax/production in Ireland as a balance.

 

[SolSys]

"Why are Irish provinces all woods?"

Sounds like the start of a joke, but I don't get it.

 

[JasperClay]

Well, you don't want to encourage ahistoric development too much. And before you give Dublin a CoT, you'd have to convince me it had more economic activity than that Norwegian province.

It's not totally accurate, but I'd do:

Ulster: Woods(? don't know much about geography there), Naval Supplies/Wool
Meath: Farmland, Grain/Wool
Connacht: Hills/Highlands, Fish/Wool
Leinster: Grassland, Grain/Fish
Munster: Woods/Hills/Highlands, Wool/Naval Supplies

 

[wolffrnd]

Agreed.

They should be Wastelands instead!

 

[TheDungen]

Connacht should definitely be Hills at the very least. I also feel that England owning all of meath at the start is unhistorical.

Perhaps it ought to be a vassal at the start of the game, or in a personal union?

 

[Haldan]

What does this have to do with the woods in Ireland?

Everything Irish is because of the potatoe famine.

 

[Chieron]

While Ireland was widely forested long ago, it hasn''t been so in some time, and I believe this includes the EU time-frame.

Shouldn't they be grassland and maybe one or two farmland?

Also, the provinces should have some of their exports changed to 'naval supplies' and 'salt'.

Probably very much the same reason as the Saxon area being almost entirely Woods, while it actually was extensively farmed and densely populated. Elsewhere you see grasslands where hills or woods would be appropriate. The map just isn't optimal.