Development Diary - 3rd of December

[Thure]

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Also your map proves that the southern Germany was NOT inhabited by Germanic tribes by this date. Can yopu show me which tribes were living there during 304 BC?

So who lived there back then?

We don't know. Most likely some unnamed celtic tribes we don't know about. That's the reason why it's populated but no state is there.

But why? What was different about this region, compared to the adjacent regions?

We don't know ANY state or tribe who lived in this region. The devs would have to made them up and add fictional tribes.

 

[Nyrael]

Secondly, how exactly does Judaism work? It can't just use the normal omen system, because it's monotheistic.

Omens are nothing more than buttons that give modifiers and have flavor text. So instead of calling a god, Jews can call to Biblical persons or angels, or each Omen can be a prayer to God for a boon (so instead of "Blessing of Tyche), they can have "Prayer for Peace" or "Gift of Peace").

 

[Carmichael]

Yes The cedars are still there today (well many of them at least).

It would be nice to have something similar to EUIV's Gold Provinces, where if they are developed too much there is a risk of the ressource running out (in this case the modifier or both with the ressource), in this case if you have too high Civilization Value/People working the ressource.

 

[Talvos]

Northern Syria​

In the screenshots, the lakes on the Euphrates are actually lakes and reservoirs created in the 20th century - I assume those will be fixed at some point?

 

[Guilherme Moreira]

Great!

 

[springel]

Also your map proves that the southern Germany was NOT inhabited by Germanic tribes by this date. Can yopu show me which tribes were living there during 304 BC?

We don't know. Most likely some unnamed celtic tribes we don't know about. That's the reason why it's populated but no state is there.

We don't know ANY state or tribe who lived in this region. The devs would have to made them up and add fictional tribes.

We don't know what language they spoke, but in many area's we know that there was continuity of settlements, with a change in material culture once and a while. Sometimes one would find ceramics of two consecutive cultures in one find, indicating that it was a family changing fashion, and not a replacement.

Both the salt-marshes North of my city Groningen and the the sandy high-grounds to the South have a continuous iron age archaeology, and were politically part of the Chauks at the start of the 1st millennium, but it is completely unknown since when they spoke Germanic. Language shift can happen within a few generations. The archaeology suggests that the salt-marshes here made a (non-disruptive) culture shift from Frisii to Chauci in the 1st century AD, and although Roman writers tend to classify Frisii as Germanic, some think that they may have spoken some Celtic or intermediate language. (don't identify Frisii with later Frisians, who were Angles from Southern Denmark).

 

[Thure]

We don't know what language they spoke, but in many area's we know that there was continuity of settlements, with a change in material culture once and a while. Sometimes one would find ceramics of two consecutive cultures in one find, indicating that it was a family changing fashion, and not a replacement.

Both the salt-marshes North of my city Groningen and the the sandy high-grounds to the South have a continuous iron age archaeology, and were politically part of the Chauks at the start of the 1st millennium, but it is completely unknown since when they spoke Germanic. Language shift can happen within a few generations. The archaeology suggests that the salt-marshes here made a (non-disruptive) culture shift from Frisii to Chauci in the 1st century AD, and although Roman writers tend to classify Frisii as Germanic, some think that they may have spoken some Celtic or intermediate language. (don't identify Frisii with later Frisians, who were Angles from Southern Denmark).

They already showed that there are people and POPs in the uncolonized provinces. There are just no states (most likely because in many areas we don't know any states or tribes)

 

[monstermash]

I was wondering if this new colonization system for imperator would be like the frontiers in eu4 (you just have to spend some points to colonize a province)

 

[Orinsul]

there could be an achievement for if you're playing Samaria but are good.

 

[DeathLawlie]

Just to know, but would it be possible that in uncolonised region we see the formation of new little tribal "state" with time passing, or would it be more static?

 

[Mauer]

They already showed that there are people and POPs in the uncolonized provinces. There are just no states (most likely because in many areas we don't know any states or tribes)

So, were these very small tribes or families living in the region that had no political dealings with any neighboring state?

 

[Thure]

So, were these very small tribes or families living in the region that had no political dealings with any neighboring state?

Mostly I think. Problem is on a large part that we have no sources about them except external ones which are mostly from around the first century AD, which is 300 years after the start date.

 

[Martynios]

Also your map proves that the southern Germany was NOT inhabited by Germanic tribes by this date. Can yopu show me which tribes were living there during 304 BC?

That map still has a much bigger portion of Germany inhabited by Germanic tribes than the in-game map does.

We don't know ANY state or tribe who lived in this region. The devs would have to made them up and add fictional tribes.

Or just use the tribes that lived there no more than 100 years later, for the sake of immersion and gameplay.

That is, if there really is no information.

 

[Saraste]

Do Fenni/Aesti exist? I’m totally not biased.

 

[TheButterflyComposer]

I don't know whether this has been answered before but are there plans to have this game run long enough to do a full grand campaign through the other games as well? As in, it ends and you can start up a ckii converter?

 

[Denkt]

The game ends around 30 bc so it is 800 years between the end of Imperator: Rome and the earliest CKII start.

 

[springel]

So, were these very small tribes or families living in the region that had no political dealings with any neighboring state?

The notion of a state may not be appropriate for this part of the world. We can see similarities between the Roman descriptions of German societies in their time and Germanic laws in the Early Mediaeval Frankish Kingdom, and in both politics has a strong individual aspect, rather than a central state. There were Military Dukes who gathered voluntary followers who went to war and form local noble elites, and there were local defensive pacts, which I think correspond to tribes that the Romans identify, but the membership of which may have been a shifting affair rather than a permanent strong bond.

Compare the Saxons in the 8th century that were militarily quiet strong, but who didn't have a King or a national state, just a network of higher regional and lower local nobility with local 'sovereignty'. Or the Frisians with a similarly distributed non-central power structure.

 

[Donkey Cactus]

release date?

 

[Will Steel]

Paradox, please also allow us to take only cities and not entire provinces in a peace treaties if we wish to do so. Please don't limit the peace treaties to annex entire state-level provinces at once.

There can be many reasons for that. For example, just wishing to keep a trade post in Africa as a Greek city state for example (to export some ivory found there for example) instead of having to own entire kingdom-size lands. Or cleaning up borders on the frontier. Or to build strategic forts.

Victoria 2 as well as Total War Rome 2/Attila made the same mistake in making us have to take entire province if we want to hold them....and caused some big border issues.

 

[Samitte]

Paradox, please also allow us to take only cities and not entire provinces in a peace treaties if we wish to do so. Please don't limit the peace treaties to annex entire state-level provinces at once.

From the videos that came out today, thats already in.