Development Diary #14 - National Focuses

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Are people really that interested in playing Italy?

I am.

In fact, I enjoy playing Italy for the same reasons I enjoy playing China and several other countries. I enjoy playing countries that had an uphill battle or even who were defeated in the historical war.

Italy represents a distinct challenge. Not only are you trying to pursue your own ambitions (as silly as some of them were), but you are also tied to Germany. Germany's success or failure becomes your success or failure. The last thing you want as Italy is to seal the Med, only to find yourself locked into a Europe where the Soviets are marching to the sea.

Much like China, Italy finds itself outgunned and out researched by her enemies. The advantage for Italy is that she starts off in better shape than China. The bad news is that she doesn't have the strength to maintain a defensive war against technologically superior opponents for years on end.

China also has more raw potential than Italy. Wiping out the warlords and seizing Manchuria and Korea and French Indochina puts China in play to be more powerful than Britain or even Germany. Italy is stuck in Europe with fewer places to expand that yield good resources or IC without running afoul of Germany, the Soviets, or odd scripting with war goals (France).
 
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I also like playing Italy. I think it will be my first country to learn to play in HOI IV.

You have all aspects of the game in. A navy to handle, an airforce and an army. You can train battle with ethiopia, can have sub war against Uk, Island battle and convoy battle. You can wait longer to enter war and try to train after ethiopia with Greece and Yugoslavia.
 

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Nevertheless I think that we can agree that National Goal system will be an interesting feature in HOI4

At least I'm looking forward how PI is going to develop it
 

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Will these be moddable?
 

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I Agree with others have said throughout the thread about why China isn't added as #8. Maybe to a lesser extent Spain as #9. Hopefully the Spanish Civil War has events to make it unique and not just a generic little war.
 
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I Agree with others have said throughout the thread about why China isn't added as #8. Maybe to a lesser extent Spain as #9. Hopefully the Spanish Civil War has events to make it unique and not just a generic little war.
Worst case scenario, there´s always hope on the modders.

Personaly I´d like to see the chance of colateral countries that never joined the war but could have (Spain, Sweden, Portugal, even Argentina) being considered. In the case of Spain, I´d love to see Operation Felix and the Hendaya conference covered.
 
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I Agree with others have said throughout the thread about why China isn't added as #8. Maybe to a lesser extent Spain as #9. Hopefully the Spanish Civil War has events to make it unique and not just a generic little war.

There has to be an Event to start the war. Since there is no Nationalist Spain in existence in-game on 1 Jan 1936, then it is difficult to imagine how any National Focus of the Republicans could cause the war to start. And any dynamic civil war mechanism is unlikely to kick off the war in 1936 without a big push.
 

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Those trees make my mouth water. I tend to be rather conservative when it comes to games. I don't like changes because I worry that it would spoil aspects of the series I love. Yet you guys constantly invalidate my worries. I agree with a lot of others that I'm disappointed China isn't getting its own tree, but then I'm also disappointed that HOI4 isn't a holographic simulation that I could enter for a more life-like experience. Guys, I'm sure the team would have loved to keep adding features, but they work on a budget and have limited time. They need a scheduled and sometimes there just isn't enough time to add everything. The fact that it's so easily modded should alleviate our worried though, the community always puts out amazing mods for those of us who are incapable peasants.


Yes, and Vietnam defeated the USA hence, according to your logic, Vietnam should be a major power
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When on earth was this? I don't recall the United States ever engaging Vietnam with the exception of the Vietnam conflict, of which saw the United States win virtually every battle, seeing a 18:1 casualty ratio, and compelled North Vietnam to sign The Treaty of Paris, of which where terms essentially dictated by the United States. Under this treaty the United States agreed to withdraw from South Vietnam and cease military actions against the North, who for their end, would recognize South Vietnam as a sovereign state and respect the earlier Geneva Conference. As everyone knows, North Vietnam violated said agreement a half year of the US withdraw and launched another campaign against the South, who fell three years after that.

If you want to claim that the CIA could not prevent South Vietnam from being annexed then this is one thing. It's another thing entirely to claim the Vietnam beat the United States. This is made all the more self-evident when the terms of the conflict is examined from the political viewpoint of the Americans. The Congress, since the beginning, had tried to vote to cease military actions. The 1964 Gulf of Tonkin Resolution made it clear that American forces would not be deployed into combat and that only material goods and training could be delivered to South Vietnam. Johnston, after the 1964 elections, issued executive orders for the contrary and began punitive bombing. By 1967 The Congress began holding resolutions in favor of repealing the Tonkin Resolution and cease military action since entire American divisions had been deployed to fill direct combat roles. Nixon, in 1968 -1969 instead offered a policy of "Vietnamization" in which American commitments would be gradually withdraw to avoid a power-vacuum. This lasted until late 1972 when a peace treaty between the North and South was signed and the last American soldiers handed over their missions to be filled by South Vietnamese soldiers.


Similar examples exist today in Iraq and Afghanistan, but most easily seen in Iraq. After the "surge" sustained a reduction in violence by over 90%, American leaders decided against an imminent withdraw. Instead, to avoid a power-vacuum, bases where very gradually handed over to Iraqi brigades as they proved themselves competent enough to handle a charge. This culminated in the final withdraw in late 2011. Virtually identical to Vietnam. Should ISIS/Iran/Al-Qaeda annexe Iraq, three years after the Americans ceased its military commitments, then how could they defeat them?
 

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Exactly what I was thinking. Lots of alt-history potential here.

And still within reason. Not as strange as HoI3 with Switzerland in the axis... The focus system looks like a nice way between railroading and alternate history.
 
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Will we have to select these before we do them to get the bonus, like Missions in EU?

Maybe it's an improvement over HOI3, and I'm not sure how it works in practice, but it sounds like it could be a bit tedious and gimmicky when you have to keep going back to this screen constantly to say what you're doing every time before you do something. Missions were not a huge deal in EU but national foci seem like a huge deal here. And it could get really annoying if say, you forget to choose the "Befriend Denmark" option before you befriend Denmark and then you can't get the bonus or progress through that tree. Or if you befriend Norway and Denmark out of order and screw yourself that way.

Of course, if it happens automatically and forgives you for accomplishing some focus out of order then I think it will be pretty awesome as a streamlined events system.