God damn byzaboos are annoying. Literally any thread becomes "WHY CANT BYZANTIUM HAVE MORE CORES? CONSTANTINOPLE SHOULD HAVE A UNIQUE WALLS BUILDING. BYZANTIUM NIS ARE TOO WEAK."
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I think the Jannissaries should be represented as their own unit, like the banners and the streltsy. This would correctly give the Ottomans a strong fist in the early game, which would then weaken as the decadence builds up.
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I don't think in 1444 Georgia should have three tags. Maybe two (Georgia and vassal Samtskhe) but not three. In 1444 Imereti was still part of the Georgian Kingdom under the rule of Vakhtang. Central government was weak but I don't think imereti was an independent state at that point.
Skirmishes escalated after his death in 1446. Imereti officially separated from Georgia in 1463 at the Battle of Chikhori when Giorgi VIII King of Georgia lost the battle with Imeretians.
One can insert massive uprising at the start of the game in Imereti region instead of giving them independence from the day 1.
Source: my Georgian history book/teacher, but stuff can be verified on wiki too.
I don't think in 1444 Georgia should have three tags. Maybe two (Georgia and vassal Samtskhe) but not three. In 1444 Imereti was still part of the Georgian Kingdom under the rule of Vakhtang. Central government was weak but I don't think imereti was an independent state at that point.
Skirmishes escalated after his death in 1446. Imereti officially separated from Georgia in 1463 at the Battle of Chikhori when Giorgi VIII King of Georgia lost the battle with Imeretians.
One can insert massive uprising at the start of the game in Imereti region instead of giving them independence from the day 1.
Source: my Georgian history book/teacher, but stuff can be verified on wiki too.
Some things are changed for better... gameplay? Albania not being at war with the Ottomans, Majapahit being much smaller than it was historically and not having any cores. No restoration of Union CB from Poland on Bohemia/Hungary, etc.
Maybee you could add a strait from there to rhodes to then, because I rarely see the ottomans taking the island, they take the mission then sit on it until they abandon it and so on.
Not it's own but it could go with greek and pontic seeing as it basically was byzantine cultured just with a new language and religion. The Turks had way more trouble holding on to the "arabic" land than the greek ones.
While I agree I could see certain provinces with great fortresses have a defensiveness modifier which is lost at some point. Not just Constantinople but Marienburg too, the citadel of Aleppo and others.
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Oh yay; all these states being more divided in 1444 just makes them easier for the Ottomans to eat.
Not if they are subject and overlord. Then they have a higher combined force limit.
Raising Jannissaries from the heretic/different culture provinces would be an interesting mechanic - if you want them, you'd think twice about converting a province. Or some similar kind of tradeoff.
No because all the countries got buffed. They weren't divided. Only Georgia was.
I think I described about this in past. Turks in 1400s were not really nomads anymore. After Seljuk Turks settled down, built lot of things, mosques, bridges, caravanserai, schools (called medrese).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seljuk_architecture
Lots of these artsy architecture ideas were borrowed from Romans but that's another subject.
People incorrectly thinks Turks as nomads, but as I told nomad Turks were "YÖRÜK" Turks.
Ottomans used Yörük Turks for Turkification on borders as policy. So first Turks Romans saw was nearly always these nomad guys. I still feel like this kind of HURR DURR TURKS ARE NOMADS. thinking is wrong. they USED TO BE nomads, even in 1400s.
I feel like next update after this will be about Balkans and Aegean so you should wait a bit more for Byzantium upgrade
I also feel like it is better to add specialized Janissary unit than discipline buffs.
I don't see why they should have more cores, since the Anatolian holdings were long lost. Something they probably should have, at least on the coast where the Greeks held longer, is a discount on cultural conversion. I.e. akin to the MTTH modifier which existed in EUIII for the exact same reason. After all there still were significnat minorities at least on the coast afaik.
No idea whether any provinces warrants being Greek. There were some which were at EUIV release, so if those weren't completely unrealistic then perhaps one or two Greek provinces could be there now. Though I don't know whether the Greeks still were in majority in any larger areas on the coast by 1444. Our local expert @Chamboozer might know.
ps: rum which actually meant roman is today an adjective to describe turkish greeks and cypriot greeks.
kara koyunlu and ak koyunlu mean, as you all may guessed, black sheep and white sheep respectively
kara koyunlu and ak koyunlu mean, as you all may guessed, black sheep and white sheep respectively
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There's also the issue of "turks" (other than the nomads whom the ottomans settled) mostly being greeks who converted to islam and learned the new language. When do they cease to be greeks and armenians and when do they start being turks? When they convert? When they learn to speak turkish? When they forget how to speak greek?
There's still Greeks in Turkey?
Also do you know why they were called white and black sheep?
True. Which is why I think there should be a cultural conversion discount, since converting Anatolia back to Greek (at least the coasts) would have been much easier for a resurgent Greek state than converting say Bulgaria to Greek.
Would you guys please add Lori between Yerevan and Tbilisi? It'd be strange not being able to control the north shore of Lake Sevan as Armenia without expanding into Georgia.
I think I described about this in past. Turks in 1400s were not really nomads anymore. After Seljuk Turks settled down, built lot of things, mosques, bridges, caravanserai, schools (called medrese).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seljuk_architecture
Lots of these artsy architecture ideas were borrowed from Romans but that's another subject.
People incorrectly thinks Turks as nomads, but as I told nomad Turks were "YÖRÜK" Turks.
Ottomans used Yörük Turks for Turkification on borders as policy. So first Turks Romans saw was nearly always these nomad guys. I still feel like this kind of HURR DURR TURKS ARE NOMADS. thinking is wrong. they USED TO BE nomads, even in 1400s.
I feel like next update after this will be about Balkans and Aegean so you should wait a bit more for Byzantium upgrade
I also feel like it is better to add specialized Janissary unit than discipline buffs.
maybe in 1400s they were not nomad anymore, but the first time they were introduced to this part of the world, they were, most likely. that goes back to their very origin in Altai mountains ridges and central Asai steppes. and if I recall correctly, their first important presence was through Genghis khan conquests (massacres), and that may create an element of refusal in much more ancient and long-civilized people of Anatoly, and that is the crux of my suggestion.
but as Wagonlitz puts it, it maybe a better solution to have a cultural conversion discount for Byzantium! or cheaper coring on them.
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Actually the Turks were present in Anatolia way before that. After Manzikert they poured in and IIRC essentially replaced the Greek in most of the Anatolian interior. Partially because the Greek landlords there had been focusing on olive/wine farming which led to a depopulaiton in the first place meaning that replacing the Greeks was easier. The coast took way longer though IIRC. Hence why I keep saying for the coast at lteast, though I think, but might be wrong as I'm no expert, that the interior shouldn't be too hard to convert back either should you manage to retake it and more crucially manage to secure it from future raids.
Cheaper coring might be an idea too. Albeit IIRC there was something about the peasants actually liking being under the Ottos, since then they didn't have the Orthodox church breathing down their neck (as much at least), so that might negate any welcome home bonus. On the other hand the nobility might well have welcomed them (assuming any of the old one had remained). Another thing which might be an idea would be less AE towards Christian Europe for reconquering Anatolia, but more AE towards the Muslims. After all Christian Europe almost certainly would have applauded Rome returning (at least initially), whereas the Muslim World probably would not like it at all.
could you consider AI's build chooses? AI is still building ridicilous buildins such as docks, shipyards or regimental camps and fulling building capacities in the cities for nothing. with these new provinces ottomans gonna build stupid buildings like a crazy and spending all of its money and since mercenaries' paid got buffed it is ridiculous. i'm not even talking about building manufactories. AI doesn't/can't build manufactories because of this, there's no free slot in the city.
they won't just because pdx doesn't like tiny provinces
yes but too few like 5-10k and mostly lives in istanbul and/or marmara region + izmir. actualy there should have been at least 250k greeks in istanbul today but with the cyprus dispute in 50-60s, government supported retarded nationalist turks forced them to leave their homes in istanbul in both 1955, 1964.
i am not sure about this but in old turkic kara means north (modern turkish: black) and ak means south (modern turkish: white). so you can consider they called as black sheep people because they were living in the nort of white sheep people.
this is also represents the sea names of turkey's both north&south seas. turks call northern sea as karadeniz (which whole word calls that as black sea i mean it comes from turkish kara (black) i think) and southern sea (mediterrenean sea) as white sea.
you know there were too much turkic influence around the black sea for centruies just like the balkans. balkan is also another turkic word and means, a place with mountains or kind of sth.
they won't just because pdx doesn't like tiny provinces
yes but too few like 5-10k and mostly lives in istanbul and/or marmara region + izmir. actualy there should have been at least 250k greeks in istanbul today but with the cyprus dispute in 50-60s, government supported retarded nationalist turks forced them to leave their homes in istanbul in both 1955, 1964.
i am not sure about this but in old turkic kara means north (modern turkish: black) and ak means south (modern turkish: white). so you can consider they called as black sheep people because they were living in the nort of white sheep people.
this is also represents the sea names of turkey's both north&south seas. turks call northern sea as karadeniz (which whole word calls that as black sea i mean it comes from turkish kara (black) i think) and southern sea (mediterrenean sea) as white sea.
you know there were too much turkic influence around the black sea for centruies just like the balkans. balkan is also another turkic word and means, a place with mountains or kind of sth.
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