Beautiful map! It kicks 2D maps straight out of here!
And the EUIII map as well!o
Fantastic maps you have created Birger! You have my utmost and sincere congratulations!
Developer Diary 8 – The Artisan
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Fantastic maps you have created Birger! You have my utmost and sincere congratulations!
There is no doubt that discussing Soviet Economic policy in 1950s is taking this thread off topic. Thank you.
Artisans look like a great concept...
Let´s see if I get it right. If you are an Artisan in 1836 you could evolve in several ways?
A; You are a jack of all trades. You fix roofs, sells firewood, make mailboxes and sometimes works as a giggolo... 1873 you die as an Artisan...
B; You make sledgehammers, as your father did, and his father and so on...
1850 the new iron works opens up. You can´t compete with them and close shop. You start working for them instead. You become a Worker.
C; You make chocolate, the best kind. Somehow your chocolate find its way to the King. He loves it and you become royal supplier of chocolate. 1866 you get knighted for serving your country. You become an Aristocrat
D; You make guns wich are reliable and easy to use. With increasing demand you employ some skilled workers and when the next big war start you open your own arnaments factory. You become a Capitalist
Am I right?
Let´s see if I get it right. If you are an Artisan in 1836 you could evolve in several ways?
A; You are a jack of all trades. You fix roofs, sells firewood, make mailboxes and sometimes works as a giggolo... 1873 you die as an Artisan...
B; You make sledgehammers, as your father did, and his father and so on...
1850 the new iron works opens up. You can´t compete with them and close shop. You start working for them instead. You become a Worker.
C; You make chocolate, the best kind. Somehow your chocolate find its way to the King. He loves it and you become royal supplier of chocolate. 1866 you get knighted for serving your country. You become an Aristocrat
D; You make guns wich are reliable and easy to use. With increasing demand you employ some skilled workers and when the next big war start you open your own arnaments factory. You become a Capitalist
Am I right?
Well there is a bit more to it than that, but all these are possible. Except the game does not distinguish between quality. It is more you are an artisans you start making guns. A war breaks out so demand for guns suddenly sky rockets, you make fortune and become a Capitalist, but bascially yes.
If you insist
And thank you for the answers to my earlier questions, your interaction with the fanbase is much appreciated
Thank you for the answer, King. It looks that the game will be quite dynamic and not a simple " Do A and then B will happen" game...
Nice Map.
Thicker red line possible?
or even better? thicker lines with differing colors depending on country color in the same terrain mode please?
Thicker red line possible?
or even better? thicker lines with differing colors depending on country color in the same terrain mode please?
will it be possible to encourage artisans to wide spread homeproduction of goods like ammunition in a critical situation (eg. a war) to cover the demand until a factory opens (maybe founded by one of the artisans you "employed")?
EDIT: to give an example, Germany is covering its ammunition demand via import. Some politicla event sends the foreign relations down the drain, they are blockaded by the major ammunitions-producers (please tell me boycotts/blockades are in the game). So the Germans are somewhat tight on ammo, the russians decide to kick them while they are down and attack. Will artisans "rally to the flag" and start producing ammunition to save their country, even if they are more profitable goods on the market?
EDIT: to give an example, Germany is covering its ammunition demand via import. Some politicla event sends the foreign relations down the drain, they are blockaded by the major ammunitions-producers (please tell me boycotts/blockades are in the game). So the Germans are somewhat tight on ammo, the russians decide to kick them while they are down and attack. Will artisans "rally to the flag" and start producing ammunition to save their country, even if they are more profitable goods on the market?
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Wouldnt they do that automatically any way?
Demand for weapons spikes = prices go up = make weapons = ???? = profit!
There may be a delay in reaction time, but I dont think there should be an option o force them.
Wow, so POPs can evolve into Aristocrats? That is different idea... can see where maybe some governments and ideologies would play a role there, or even unifications and revolutions.
That is great news that 100% education slider is not always the only mandatory slider and different circumstances might actually lower its effects or importance to be at 100%
We still don't know if it is possible to block trade in war. All we know is that embargos in peace won't be possible and with the world market system, I don't think that even war emabargo would be an option.
PS: Cool sign (the GRRM one) :rofl:
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My first guess would be, that education would increase consciousness, so it would be hard to have educated population and autocratic state.
I'm willing to bet that Capitalists will tend to produce everyday goods for some reason, due to volume.
IIRC, bourgeois (capitalists?) often attempted to marry themselves into the aristocracy in 18th-19th century France (pre second republic). I'm sure there are other ways by which this occured. Aristocrats are fairly useless though.
That is why I am surprised... it is pretty much a dead end. Also the numbers of in the game sense- capitalists or clerks/artisans marrying into aristocrats would be very small.
I'm guessing more to do with unification or revolution when a new upper class could seize power. For Hungary it would be Hungarian POP aristocrats emerging otherwise if only a few scattered Austrians/S Germans etc which are not full citizens there is a large drop in efficiency bonus(which is already much smaller than capitalists anyway).
Wasn't the purpose of a capitalist in this period somewhat to become an aristocrat?
I believe he meant the Soviet Union managed to industrialized in spite of Stalin and the Commissars.
You cannot claim revision when the facts clearly illustrate that Russia was hastily industrializing since the 1880's and had climbed to the sixth strongest GDP.
Why do you think the Germans were so keen on taking out the Russians first? Because they knew Russia was getting stronger each year.
War Communism and the Russian Civil War had effectively pillaged the Russian state, to an extent that backward outnumbered Agrarian Poles were able to fight the Russians toe to toe.
Industrialization in the Soviet Union was dependent on American Machinery and this was true even into 1930's, as evident with the Dieper Dam whose Hydroelectric generator came from the United States .
Then there was the case of the Soviet Union needing grain imports from North America and Europe for decades... Granted, I know not everywhere on the steppes is suited for agriculture, but seriously, you have more arable farmland than Canada does and Canada was sending you food?!?
Solzhenitsyn is right that the Soviet Union was characterized with Criminal Negligence, Stalin having ruled like a Tsar and Beria raping and murdering women in darkened dungeons.
The Russians managed to win the WWII, not because they were Soviet or Communist, you can see how well ''Communism Sprit" fared in Operation Barbarossa. Where was Comrade Stalin? Hiding in a closet and couldn't come to terms with the fact that his friend ''Hitler'' had invaded his country.
The war only managed to be won because Slavic-Nationalism prevailed through the Great Patrioic War
You cannot claim revision when the facts clearly illustrate that Russia was hastily industrializing since the 1880's and had climbed to the sixth strongest GDP.
Why do you think the Germans were so keen on taking out the Russians first? Because they knew Russia was getting stronger each year.
War Communism and the Russian Civil War had effectively pillaged the Russian state, to an extent that backward outnumbered Agrarian Poles were able to fight the Russians toe to toe.
Industrialization in the Soviet Union was dependent on American Machinery and this was true even into 1930's, as evident with the Dieper Dam whose Hydroelectric generator came from the United States .
Then there was the case of the Soviet Union needing grain imports from North America and Europe for decades... Granted, I know not everywhere on the steppes is suited for agriculture, but seriously, you have more arable farmland than Canada does and Canada was sending you food?!?
Solzhenitsyn is right that the Soviet Union was characterized with Criminal Negligence, Stalin having ruled like a Tsar and Beria raping and murdering women in darkened dungeons.
The Russians managed to win the WWII, not because they were Soviet or Communist, you can see how well ''Communism Sprit" fared in Operation Barbarossa. Where was Comrade Stalin? Hiding in a closet and couldn't come to terms with the fact that his friend ''Hitler'' had invaded his country.
The war only managed to be won because Slavic-Nationalism prevailed through the Great Patrioic War
Pretty much my thought, luxuries beeing just that, luxuries would not always command a large enough demand that it would be profiteble for capies to build factories to produce them. Atleast thats what I hope for
Didn't the Germans went for France first? Schlieffen plan and all that jazz? Only when it became apparent that France was a stalemate did Germany shift its attention to Russia. But that was more a question of mobilization speed than overall economic potential.
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