I couldn't help but think: and what would you suggest?
How would you mimmic the complex political\social\economic conflicts involved?
I'm genuinely curious.
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I couldn't help but think: and what would you suggest?
How would you mimmic the complex political\social\economic conflicts involved?
I'm genuinely curious.
About the Auto Promotion, how would soilders who are being or are demobilized work? would they have to be re-educated again or would there be some fast-track way for getting them back into the factories?
Germany should still be events, and probably paradox has no intention for it not to be. Possibly an alternative route to it by full conquest and decision but all the routes from Victoria the first are vital to the game and would only work as events, possibly the Three Hurrahs but not the earlier two.
But think of the Indian unification, as it was just owning provinces, perfect for it. And a UCA reunion would be good for it too.
But think of the Indian unification, as it was just owning provinces, perfect for it. And a UCA reunion would be good for it too.
What do you mean removed the DoW funcationality? Does this mean no war in the game?
I will not buy the game if so
What do you mean removed the DoW funcationality? Does this mean no war in the game?
I will not buy the game if so
He was joking.
I think.
What do you mean removed the DoW funcationality? Does this mean no war in the game?
I will not buy the game if so
They didn't just remove DoW's... they remove the war itself from the game
No he wasn't. New European Directives. Its just not politicaly correct to allow young kids play violent video games, especialy ones about war and world conquest and tobaco trading and drunk peasants who probably beat up there wives. It would be scandolous, this is not the 1980's you know!!!
As for pops and size and splitting, maybe they have gotten rid of the whole silly idea, and now you just have 123,458 Factory Workers and 503,534 farmers in a province, numbers changing acording to what ever changes them, a bit like Rome but more in depth.
That would be awesome if they did as a player. I'm thinking in a historical sense, once solders had been demobilized they didn't go back to work RIGHT away Rather they were slowly integrated back into civilian life, some time to adjust.
Once they've been demobilized, that they go back to being whatever they were, my thinking is that they would be fast-tracked back to their old position, not having to start from square one.
But what is a PI game without war?!!!
As Carl von Clausewitz once said "war is merely the continuation of politics by other means.” and Victoria is a game all about politics.
If the greedy French want to keep all toughs tasty Algerian colonies to them selves then I should have the right to punish them for there insolence!!
Who cares about the little kiddies they see much worse on the news every day. (Well I live in the south USA so no one actually watches the news)
As Carl von Clausewitz once said "war is merely the continuation of politics by other means.” and Victoria is a game all about politics.
If the greedy French want to keep all toughs tasty Algerian colonies to them selves then I should have the right to punish them for there insolence!!
Who cares about the little kiddies they see much worse on the news every day. (Well I live in the south USA so no one actually watches the news
)
Good to see number of jobs limited after a big mobolisation so that rather than craftsmen no longer be craftsmen have them forced unemployed for a certain amount of time slowly trickingly back to work but that would be good [given ive only been thinking about this for all of two seconds so maybe bad is the word to be using] to show the mass demob unemployment and discontent following the first world war in german that sparked that bit of civil war that went on for a while there. maybe even a demob civilian type as a middle step, unemployeed men with guns and undirected anger. probably thats a silly idea though.
About events
I know, I'm always a bit late for the discussion - but hey, we ought to have other priorities in life than video games.
I read carefully at least the 4 first pages of this developpement diary, and keep wondering one thing: given that in every new major PI title since eu2 the very first thing started by the community (and ist most impressive achievement) is a better map and a more historically driven game (talk about AGCEEP, MM2, VIP and so on), which basically relies on dates, why do you guys want a more sandbox-like game ?
I mean, either I'm missing something here, and community-made mods are only fueling the addiction of a small minority of players or you rely on observation/feedback we don't see around in the forum. Take the vicky 1 forum: every 2 reply now has an historical-polemic flavour...
Plus I always thought to myself that this is just one strong sale argument for paradox game: learn something while playing. I would never have known of the existence of a short-lived separate State of Texas, at least based on regular 2nd grade european education. And I don't even mention VIP, where every new game I start just triggers automatically parallel research on Wikipedia, because there are so insanely many thing to learn about this period of history. (should you be able to add real links to real-wiki articles within events, I would be totally overwhelmed). Take some of the History-AAR published here: any History teacher I know would double your grades if you'd show him this kind of work.
Perhaps its just me, and finding new ways to teach history is totally overrated among game developpers - i just thought: this is what makes you guys from PI unique, and not some random EA geeks lost in the gaming industry.
I know, I'm always a bit late for the discussion - but hey, we ought to have other priorities in life than video games.
I read carefully at least the 4 first pages of this developpement diary, and keep wondering one thing: given that in every new major PI title since eu2 the very first thing started by the community (and ist most impressive achievement) is a better map and a more historically driven game (talk about AGCEEP, MM2, VIP and so on), which basically relies on dates, why do you guys want a more sandbox-like game ?
I mean, either I'm missing something here, and community-made mods are only fueling the addiction of a small minority of players or you rely on observation/feedback we don't see around in the forum. Take the vicky 1 forum: every 2 reply now has an historical-polemic flavour...
Plus I always thought to myself that this is just one strong sale argument for paradox game: learn something while playing. I would never have known of the existence of a short-lived separate State of Texas, at least based on regular 2nd grade european education. And I don't even mention VIP, where every new game I start just triggers automatically parallel research on Wikipedia, because there are so insanely many thing to learn about this period of history. (should you be able to add real links to real-wiki articles within events, I would be totally overwhelmed). Take some of the History-AAR published here: any History teacher I know would double your grades if you'd show him this kind of work.
Perhaps its just me, and finding new ways to teach history is totally overrated among game developpers - i just thought: this is what makes you guys from PI unique, and not some random EA geeks lost in the gaming industry.
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However, are these major events planned to always happen? Or can it be that these events don't always trigger?
Since it's also confirmed that PoPs won't have fixed size (a la EU:Rome), that seems to be very probable - after all, non-splitable, every growing POPs mean that whole factory and RGO mechanics have to be radically changed (as number of POPs is not nearly as important as their size right now).
Great DD! The Screenshot looks really good, and I like how you have the interface set up. I can't wait till this game comes out in Q2-Q3.
Also I never played the original Vicky, BUT I'm buying it this month or next month so I can see if I'll like Vicky 2.
Stop making good games! (joking) I'll have no money by the end of 2010.
Oh well.
Also I never played the original Vicky, BUT I'm buying it this month or next month so I can see if I'll like Vicky 2.
Stop making good games!
(joking) I'll have no money by the end of 2010. Oh well.
sandbox game.
well, I will give it the benefit of the doubt for now. I like that you are trying to make playing different nation less generic and you are keeping flavor events.
I just really hope it isn't like eu3, where you start at historical date 1 and by the next day everyone forgot what was happening.
Still, I will probably wait for Vip like mod that brings a more historical gameplay experience.
well, I will give it the benefit of the doubt for now. I like that you are trying to make playing different nation less generic and you are keeping flavor events.
I just really hope it isn't like eu3, where you start at historical date 1 and by the next day everyone forgot what was happening.
Still, I will probably wait for Vip like mod that brings a more historical gameplay experience.
Hard coded events that always fire is not good I think. Mr. Lee's reference to winning the Civil War and then Bam! he has to surrender is a good example.
Also, if I'm playing China, must I always lose Hong Kong? Historical What ifs are fun and interesting to play out. I also love playing minors and in Victoria Uncivilized nations. Making it easier to civilize sounds good. ^^
Having historical events fire via decisions sounds like a good way to handle it. In that way, historical events are likely to happen but are not guaranteed.
However, being very interested in History, it'd also be nice to see historical events unfold as they did in real life. As long as the game is made easy to mod so we can see a more historically based version (like VIP2) then I'm completely satisfied with that. There are times when I like to play a historical game. As far as cooperation with modders I think that PI has done an excellent job in this area so I think it won't be a concern.
My one fear about sandbox is, I also don't want total craziness like Finland invading Korea in HOI3. I am hoping they'd implement national tendencies or give such severe penalties to irrational actions that the AI wouldn't deem it worth their while. Properly balanced of course.
The idea of Pop auto promotion sounds good. The bit about Bureaucrats and Aristocrats also sounds like it will work very well.
Spain looks nice as well. I'd love to see Canada and it's Northern expanses next. Show some tundra and arctic waste please.
Also, if I'm playing China, must I always lose Hong Kong? Historical What ifs are fun and interesting to play out. I also love playing minors and in Victoria Uncivilized nations. Making it easier to civilize sounds good. ^^
Having historical events fire via decisions sounds like a good way to handle it. In that way, historical events are likely to happen but are not guaranteed.
However, being very interested in History, it'd also be nice to see historical events unfold as they did in real life. As long as the game is made easy to mod so we can see a more historically based version (like VIP2) then I'm completely satisfied with that. There are times when I like to play a historical game. As far as cooperation with modders I think that PI has done an excellent job in this area so I think it won't be a concern.
My one fear about sandbox is, I also don't want total craziness like Finland invading Korea in HOI3. I am hoping they'd implement national tendencies or give such severe penalties to irrational actions that the AI wouldn't deem it worth their while. Properly balanced of course.
The idea of Pop auto promotion sounds good. The bit about Bureaucrats and Aristocrats also sounds like it will work very well.
Spain looks nice as well. I'd love to see Canada and it's Northern expanses next. Show some tundra and arctic waste please.