Developer Diary 26 – Miscellaneous Military Stuff

[unmerged(63310)]

Loss of historical leaders most of the time is not that big a deal but CSA, France, Prussia etc had a strong military tradition and even UK and USA had the best naval officers due to virtue of trading fleet size and the training.

Also- V1 said the same thing that a leader was always better than no leader but that was not even close to true. Most of the time half my leaders were worse than having no leader and would sit unused until they died.

 

[Buladelu]

Hmmm, USA guy tries to bite both his and enimies rifle. Ahh those gluttonous northen barbarians.

And I think I've seen this guy called No Commander in Arcanum. To think of it, you've stolen whole style and design from there.

 

[Sovereign]

I'd much prefer instead of regiments with no leader having a 'No Commander' we had 'Colonel' instead, just to represent that division as not having a Leader as such.

Otherwise it looks silly, I mean ok so the regiment has no general in charge, but that doesn't mean the formation is some sort of fighting anarchist collective.

 

[tuore]

CSA in 1836?

 

[Apartmento]

CSA in 1836?

Johan "triggered a few historical events from the console."

 

[unmerged(1823)]

was the leaderpack with over 1300 leaders and growing. But, I guess Paradox' word is rule and is correct.

*Sigh*

And i bet you that there will be a mod for those in v2.

 

[King]

Doesn't this take money out of the system and go against the economic ideas that money shouldn't just disapear/appear?

Yup, but sometimes we just can't help it happening.

 

[King]

I'm assuming historical leaders have been replaced by a pool for each country of first and last names? So you still might be able to have a leader with a historical name appear.

Yes that's correct.

 

[unmerged(7537)]

And i bet you that there will be a mod for those in v2.

How can there be a mod that expands historical leader files, when no such files exist and any support for set leader files has reputedly been eliminated?

 

[Prinz Wilhelm]

And i bet you that there will be a mod for those in v2.

How on earth is that supposed to work? Unless you know something we don't about leaderfiles.

 

[Nikolai]

How can there be a mod that expands historical leader files, when no such files exist and any support for set leader files has reputedly been eliminated?

The game is extremely moddable?

 

[Prinz Wilhelm]

The game is extremely moddable?

But how are you supposed to add in entirely new pieces of code into the game? They said it here:

We have made one change; historical leaders are gone. I know there will be those of you who will bemoan the loss of the historical leaders. However, we felt they had to go. The historical leaders created a situation where you played to the leader file and not the game situation.

I don't think it's moddable enough to add in completely new leaders ourselves.

 

[BlueWarrior]

Woohoo! Can't wait for V-Day! :rofl:

 

[unmerged(174860)]

Goutte qui fait déborder le vase!!

paradox > historical grand strategy games

hoi3 > no ministers (well, in but broken)

vic2 > no leaders

ck2 > no kings???

*claps*

 

[Baneslave]

Loss of historical leaders most of the time is not that big a deal but CSA, France, Prussia etc had a strong military tradition and even UK and USA had the best naval officers due to virtue of trading fleet size and the training.

Of course, Victoria I's system didn't take major ahistoricalities into accord, leading to three province minor Prussia still having the best leaders of world, etc, so new system is bit more realistic regarding that.

 

[Nikolai]

But how are you supposed to add in entirely new pieces of code into the game? They said it here:



I don't think it's moddable enough to add in completely new leaders ourselves.

When Johan says he bets it will be done, I'm sure it's possible.

 

[King]

Goutte qui fait déborder le vase!!

paradox > historical grand strategy games

hoi3 > no ministers (well, in but broken)

vic2 > no leaders

ck2 > no kings???

*claps*

If historical leaders is the only criterion you use to judge if a 19th century game is historical then Victoria 2 is definately not for you. We've done a whole load of things to make the game play and feel historical, but I am willing to admitt that it won't be enough for everyone.

 

[Nikolai]

Goutte qui fait déborder le vase!!

paradox > historical grand strategy games

hoi3 > no ministers (well, in but broken)

vic2 > no leaders

ck2 > no kings???

*claps*

HoI3: Ministers, although broken according to you. 1-0 to PI

V2: Leaders, but not historical ones. Almost the same as V1. 2-0 to PI.

CK2: CK1 had no historical kings except the starting ones. But it had kings. 3-0 to PI.

 

[Colon]

Yup, but sometimes we just can't help it happening.

Can't you just transfer the extra money a blockaded country has to pay to the producers of the imported goods? Likewise with consumptions of exported goods from the blockaded country.

 

[gadajs]

But how are you supposed to add in entirely new pieces of code into the game? They said it here:



I don't think it's moddable enough to add in completely new leaders ourselves.

A few posts after that Johan said that it was possible. Please at least read the Devs comments before bashing the product. It will not come with historical leaders out of the box, due to a design decision but one can add them in.