Developer Diary 19 – Crusades
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Nice DD. And like always it raises so many questions
Let's say I'm playing with an Iberian king and without the pope even asking for a crusade I decide to bash the southern muslims. Are there any religious orders that can help me in 1066? And if so, granting land to them makes them independent?
Can we for example mod in some religious orders which are vassal to other kingdoms? For example religious order "LeonTemplars" which is vassal to Leon.
Does Jerusalem get any penalties for having religious orders vassals? They shouldn't get the same income as if they were normal vassals. Right?
We have no scripted religious orders available in 1066, the appear later by event (as per dev diary screenshot). As these are defined in game a duchy tier title without either de jure liege or vassals, you are free to add your own if you wish. We added only the ones we felt were more important to the game, the Templars, the Teutonic Order, The Hospitalers and the Hashshashins. By default Holy Orders have no liege and if you grant them titles then you have given them away. If they do accept your invitation to be a vassal of yours then they are just another feudal vassal, the only thing is the order's troops are now reserved for your use. Titles do not gain bonuses or penalties for having orders as vassals.
Or course not. They did not fight a war for the ducal title of Sicily, they fought a war for the holdings of the religious enemies inside Sicily. Thus victory in those wars confers no rights to the ducal title of Sicily.
Just now I tested this. I used a cheat code to convince the Captian of a mercanry company to become my vassal (he would of said no) and then I gave him land. You cannot invite to court or marry mercanry captains by default.
Awesome DD.
By the way, can we send courtiers to join mercenaries or Holy Orders? For example, can I send my troublesome second son off to join some mercenary company to get rid of him?
By the way, can we send courtiers to join mercenaries or Holy Orders? For example, can I send my troublesome second son off to join some mercenary company to get rid of him?
As things stand no. As you all know we have a plan for expansions and Holy Orders are on our list of things to be expanded. So who knows in the future. At the moment our prime focus is getting the current systems (as described in the Developer Diary) working well.
If I decide to hire mercenary regiments from one of the holy orders where will the regiment show up?
Let us say that I play as the king of Danmark. I am on a crusade and one of my regiments has alredy made it half the way towards the crusade's goal and I think I might need a few more men. So I hire mercenaries from the Hospitalers who happen to own Cyprus.
Will the mercenary regiment show up at my capital, at Cyprus or at the current positon of my crusade army?
Let us say that I play as the king of Danmark. I am on a crusade and one of my regiments has alredy made it half the way towards the crusade's goal and I think I might need a few more men. So I hire mercenaries from the Hospitalers who happen to own Cyprus.
Will the mercenary regiment show up at my capital, at Cyprus or at the current positon of my crusade army?
Since game engine makes no value judgement on what you happen to want to use the mercs for they always appear in your capital.
Have you considered other options for this? Even without making a value judgement about what you want to use the mercenaries for it would seem like they could also appear where your king or your marshal is (assuming that you control the territory). This would give the player a lot more flexibility in using mercenaries.
In CK1 I personally never used mercenaries because - playing as Denmark - they would arrive on Sjaelland, which not only meant that they were far from Crusading destinations but also that they were on an island so I had to pay extra transport fees to get them anywhere.
No we haven't to be honest. We give you a button to hire mercanaries and they will appear in the province with your shield on it. It is very clear to everyone. We have added an option to move your capital and we have added straights between Sjaelland and the rest of the world so things aren't as bad as you make out.
I really appreciate hearing about those straits.
And I agree that the system where they arrive at the capital is very clear, and there is certainly something to be said for that.
Sounds great, I'm waiting for this!
Is that Norway in Österbotten in the second screenshot?
Is that Norway in Österbotten in the second screenshot?
Sounds great, I'm waiting for this!
Is that Norway in Österbotten in the second screenshot?
It is indeed. Looks like Norway is crusading.
These mechanics look very good for the human player who is interested in conquering lands of another religion for himself. But what about the AI and if you aren't doing it for personal titles (but for piety, RP, good relations with the Pope and so on)? Is there any mechanic at all that makes these de jure duchies (which, I guess might eventually become Jerusalem or Syria) more likely to become independent? If you look at the historical Crusades the states in the Levant usually consisted of: 1) Nobles who were far from succession and wanted an independent grant of land 2) Nobles who gave up their land in Europe to their kin to become leaders of the Crusader states.
I would be sad to see Jerusalem being owned by Castille, France, England etc. most of the time, at least.
I would be sad to see Jerusalem being owned by Castille, France, England etc. most of the time, at least.
How will you stimulate the creation of the kingdom of Jerusalem?
If for instance, France, the HRE and England go on a crusade and each one of them conquers land in the Holy Lands, is there any way for the Kingdom of Jerusalem to be created with lands from each one of them?
If for instance, France, the HRE and England go on a crusade and each one of them conquers land in the Holy Lands, is there any way for the Kingdom of Jerusalem to be created with lands from each one of them?
To answer your question we have no forcing mechanics to get people to give up titles held in the holy land and let them go thier own way. What we do have is two things one the default succession law for newly created Kingdoms is Gavilkind meaning that multiple kingdoms can end up being divided amoungst the sons. Secondly vassals will plot to acuire titles. In the game I was playing that those screenshots were taken from I watched the Seljuk Kingdom fall apart as vassal after vassal launched wars to acquire the Kingdom titles that the Great Seljuk held.
Thanks for the diary, King.
I'm curious, is something like the 4th Crusade possible? In your second screenshot, it explicitly states that you cannot attack Christians. But the 4th Crusade ultimately did nothing but that!
I'm curious, is something like the 4th Crusade possible? In your second screenshot, it explicitly states that you cannot attack Christians. But the 4th Crusade ultimately did nothing but that!
Also, I agree that it would be nice if mercenaries weren't instantly teleported to your capital. I'd prefer that they have a current location at the time of hire and that you choose where you'd like them to go. While you wouldn't have to see them marching on the map, it would take a finite amount of time for them to get from Point A to Point B.
Holy orders will not help you attack people of the same religious group. You are free to attack anyone you have a valid CB on.