The only reason I don't say to much to this topic is because some people are hypersensetive and to politicly correct. I have no problem whatsoever with our anthem and I realy don't give a hoot how other nationals think about it.
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So would this lyric be PC today?
Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the Queen!
No one appears to object to the British anthem though do they?
Now I'm all for crushing rebellious Scots and other heathen
, but how is this any different from the German lyrics?
It's different. The Brit anthem is explicitly about crushing rebellious scots but no one seriously thought about doing that, so it's not implicitly violent. The German anthem on the other hand was explicitly about uniting Germany and bringing Unity, Justice and Freedom (3rd stanza, sung today) to all of Germany, but most people in the years before WW1 and even more so afterwards saw an implicit meaning and regarded it as a tribute to the superiority of Germans over everything else, and to the natural right of the German nation to claim everything between Memel, Maas, Adige and Belt as its own.
BTW, I really like the third stanza. The music is plainly the coolest and most moving of any national anthem (of course I am biased) and the lyrics are just great. In eight lines Hoffmann von Fallersleben has wrapped up everything that the nation should stand for, freed from all nationalist jingoism and swanky make-up.
Unity and Justice and Freedom
for the German fatherland
towards this let us all aspire
brotherly with heart and hand
Unity and Right and Freedom
are felicity's pledge
Blossom in the brilliance of this fortune
Blossom German fatherland
*sigh*
yes yes I really am biased in this.
BTW, I really like the third stanza. The music is plainly the coolest and most moving of any national anthem (of course I am biased
) and the lyrics are just great. In eight lines Hoffmann von Fallersleben has wrapped up everything that the nation should stand for, freed from all nationalist jingoism and swanky make-up. Unity and Justice and Freedom
for the German fatherland
towards this let us all aspire
brotherly with heart and hand
Unity and Right and Freedom
are felicity's pledge
Blossom in the brilliance of this fortune
Blossom German fatherland
*sigh*
yes yes I really am biased in this.
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Quite the reverse, it celebrates a particular victory over the Scots and ensures that event is remembered. If one were inclined to be offended by the verse, then one might view it as an illustration of Imperialism within the British Isles which has endured to this day; that's if you're a rebellios Scot, Welshman or Republican Irishman.
So, both anthems villify imperial ambition, yet the German verse can't be aired because of Nazism?
Double standard in my eyes.
You'll also find the Marseillaise in the 1812 Overture. Tchaikovsky orchestrated sort of a battle of the anthems for his masterpiece.
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The problem for other nationals is that they find their country(ies) claimed in the original Deutschlandlied. According to some of the other posters on this forum I would be German, to which I greatly object, germany the state is quite different from the old Germanic or even more defined German (Deutsch, teuton) people or their language. To some, the original purpouse of unifying the former germanic HRE is laudable, but to others it is a clear sign of agression.
On the other hand, I was surprised to hear that the Deutschland uber alles stanza has been officially removed from the anthem as it is those words I always think of when I hear the hymn. Seing as this also became my parents and grandparents hymn for some 2 years (occupation was longer, but the annexation only started in 42), my only reaction to hearing the Deutschlandlied is retching and a strong urge to throw up (this is not a criticism of the hymn, in the end germany decides, this is just litteraly the way I feel when I hear the song or melody).
Marc aka Caran... ministerialis
P.S.: The International certainly should be included, saying it's communist is of course wrong as it's really the main song of all socialists and marxists. Another song to include might be the "Temps des Cerises" of the Paris Comune. In general I'd say only melodies should be added to the game, and ones generally fitting the area to be chosen.
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The problem for other nationals is that they find their country(ies) claimed in the original Deutschlandlied. According to some of the other posters on this forum I would be German, to which I greatly object, germany the state is quite different from the old Germanic or even more defined German (Deutsch, teuton) people or their language. To some, the original purpouse of unifying the former germanic HRE is laudable, but to others it is a clear sign of agression.
On the other hand, I was surprised to hear that the Deutschland uber alles stanza has been officially removed from the anthem as it is those words I always think of when I hear the hymn. Seing as this also became my parents and grandparents hymn for some 2 years (occupation was longer, but the annexation only started in 42), my only reaction to hearing the Deutschlandlied is retching and a strong urge to throw up (this is not a criticism of the hymn, in the end germany decides, this is just litteraly the way I feel when I hear the song or melody).
Marc aka Caran... ministerialis
P.S.: The International certainly should be included, saying it's communist is of course wrong as it's really the main song of all socialists and marxists. Another song to include might be the "Temps des Cerises" of the Paris Comune. In general I'd say only melodies should be added to the game, and ones generally fitting the area to be chosen.
Yup. Back in 1840, when dinosaurs were still roaming the earth, it wasn't really meant as a claim for annexation but rather as an appeal to all who considered themselves Germans, calling for them to unite and bring unity, justice and freedom to the nation.. all of which the Germany of 1840 was sadly lacking.
To exclude no one, the 'borders' were staked as far as possible.Unfortunately the liberals weren't up to creating a nation, so in the end it was Prussia and her blood-and-iron chancellor who did the unification thing... with all the well-known consequences.
BTW, Caranorn, do you know how the Luxemburgians felt about Germany and the nationalism thing prior to 1870? Luxemburg had been part of the German Confederation, after all. I know Luxemburgians don't really speak German, but in 1840 you could hardly condiser the rural Bavarian dialect German either. (Hasn't changed much in the past 150 years
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FYI, the Hawaiian anthem is based on Heil dir im Siegerkranz.
http://www.hawaiiguide.com/origins/germans.htm
How about a version of Das Deutschlandlied without lyrics?
http://www.hawaiiguide.com/origins/germans.htm
How about a version of Das Deutschlandlied without lyrics?
There is not one single thing that is wrong with Deutschland über alles.
An instrumental version of this would be good to have in the game, considering that before it was known as Deutschland über alles it was the Kaiser Hymn by Haydn. This song was played a good amount, instrumentally, at least back in those days. I also think that either the "Preußenmarsch" or "Heil dir im Siegerkranz" should be included. SOME kind of song to represent the Germans.
Just because the victors of World War II brainwash the German people into a lack of patriotism for their own country, it doesn't mean that they, or this game should comply with it.
History is all important.
An instrumental version of this would be good to have in the game, considering that before it was known as Deutschland über alles it was the Kaiser Hymn by Haydn. This song was played a good amount, instrumentally, at least back in those days. I also think that either the "Preußenmarsch" or "Heil dir im Siegerkranz" should be included. SOME kind of song to represent the Germans.
Just because the victors of World War II brainwash the German people into a lack of patriotism for their own country, it doesn't mean that they, or this game should comply with it.
History is all important.
Now, is Deutschland uber Alles really all that bad compared to some of the other world anthems...
The French want to fertilize farms with their enemies' blood
"Let impure blood
Water our furrows"
This little used part of the US anthem speaking of the British...
"Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps pollution"
The Mexican national anthem contains these lines...
"War, war without truce against all who would attempt
to blemish the honor of the fatherland!
War, war! The patriotic banners
saturate in waves of blood."
The French want to fertilize farms with their enemies' blood
"Let impure blood
Water our furrows"
This little used part of the US anthem speaking of the British...
"Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps pollution"
The Mexican national anthem contains these lines...
"War, war without truce against all who would attempt
to blemish the honor of the fatherland!
War, war! The patriotic banners
saturate in waves of blood."
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Others have already explained what's wrong with it, and quite well too.
It was originally not a song, but the melody for the second movement of Haydn's string quartet number 77 'Emperor' in C major. I agree that it would be nice to have this movement in the game.
Heh? What kind of sources do you use there? It´s just plain false my friend. Also that doesnt seem to be the topic here
Herr Stark
This discussion is absolutely useless. I feel more or less like you, but you shouldn't push the subject or you will end up banned from here.
Greetings
This discussion is absolutely useless. I feel more or less like you, but you shouldn't push the subject or you will end up banned from here.
Greetings
How I love it when people start to pull nonsense out of their rectum.
For the quazillionth time: Singing, burping or even farting all three stanzas of the Deutschlandlied is not forbidden by any German law.
It's just not pc to sing the first two stanzas -the second one is complete rubbish anyway- for reasons already mentioned in other posts. And because political correctness seems to be highly respected virtue (fortunately?), only football (the one you play with the foot, sorry, Americanos) fans, Burschenschafter and other rightwingers dare to sing the entire song.
Comprende?
Or do I have to make a drawing for some of you?
P.S. And yes, Herr Stark gives our glorious allies beyond the Ocean too much credit for "brainwashing the Germans into a lack of patriotism". We're happy to do that ourselves. Good ol' Deutscher Selbsthaß (screw the Rechtschreibreform), I presume.
For the quazillionth time: Singing, burping or even farting all three stanzas of the Deutschlandlied is not forbidden by any German law.
It's just not pc to sing the first two stanzas -the second one is complete rubbish anyway- for reasons already mentioned in other posts. And because political correctness seems to be highly respected virtue (fortunately?), only football (the one you play with the foot, sorry, Americanos) fans, Burschenschafter and other rightwingers dare to sing the entire song.
Comprende?
Or do I have to make a drawing for some of you?
P.S. And yes, Herr Stark gives our glorious allies beyond the Ocean too much credit for "brainwashing the Germans into a lack of patriotism". We're happy to do that ourselves. Good ol' Deutscher Selbsthaß (screw the Rechtschreibreform), I presume.
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt,
Wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
Brüderlich zusammenhält;
Von der Maas bis an die Memel,
Von der Etsch bis an den Belt:
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt! Deutsche Frauen, deutsche Treue,
Deutscher Wein und deutscher Sang
Sollen in der Welt behalten
Ihren alten, schönen Klang,
Uns zu edler Tat begeistern
Unser ganzes Leben lang
Deutsche Frauen, deutsche Treue,
Deutscher Wein und deutscher Sang! Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
Für das deutsche Vaterland!
Danach laßt uns alle streben
Brüderlich mit Herz und Hand!
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
Sind des Glückes Unterpfand:
Blüh im Glanze dieses Glückes,
Blühe, deutsches Vaterland
I think the song is no more and no less bloodthirsty than the Marseillaise...
La Marseillaise - paroles en français
Allons enfants de la Patrie
Le jour de gloire est arrivé !
Contre nous de la tyrannie
L'étendard sanglant est levé
Entendez-vous dans nos campagnes
Mugir ces féroces soldats?
Ils viennent jusque dans vos bras.
Égorger vos fils, vos compagnes!
Aux armes citoyens
Formez vos bataillons
Marchons, marchons
Qu'un sang impur
Abreuve nos sillons
Que veut cette horde d'esclaves
De traîtres, de rois conjurés?
Pour qui ces ignobles entraves
Ces fers dès longtemps préparés?
Français, pour nous, ah! quel outrage
Quels transports il doit exciter?
C'est nous qu'on ose méditer
De rendre à l'antique esclavage!
Quoi ces cohortes étrangères!
Feraient la loi dans nos foyers!
Quoi! ces phalanges mercenaires
Terrasseraient nos fils guerriers!
Grand Dieu! par des mains enchaînées
Nos fronts sous le joug se ploieraient
De vils despotes deviendraient
Les maîtres des destinées.
Tremblez, tyrans et vous perfides
L'opprobre de tous les partis
Tremblez! vos projets parricides
Vont enfin recevoir leurs prix!
Tout est soldat pour vous combattre
S'ils tombent, nos jeunes héros
La France en produit de nouveaux,
Contre vous tout prêts à se battre.
Français, en guerriers magnanimes
Portez ou retenez vos coups!
Épargnez ces tristes victimes
À regret s'armant contre nous
Mais ces despotes sanguinaires
Mais ces complices de Bouillé
Tous ces tigres qui, sans pitié
Déchirent le sein de leur mère!
Nous entrerons dans la carrière
Quand nos aînés n'y seront plus
Nous y trouverons leur poussière
Et la trace de leurs vertus
Bien moins jaloux de leur survivre
Que de partager leur cercueil
Nous aurons le sublime orgueil
De les venger ou de les suivre!
Amour sacré de la Patrie
Conduis, soutiens nos bras vengeurs
Liberté, Liberté chérie
Combats avec tes défenseurs!
Sous nos drapeaux, que la victoire
Accoure à tes mâles accents
Que tes ennemis expirants
Voient ton triomphe et notre gloire!
Apologies to those of you who dont happen to speak French, German and English, but those who do will see that there is very little unusual in even the full version of the German anthem (which IMO should be restored to its former state). And dont even get me started on the Russian one
Either way, my point is that it would be very nice to have them all, along with Rule Britannia, in their integral and vocal versions, as the theme songs of the major powers.
Even better, they could trigger as results of doing especially well with any given nation, thus replacing default instrumental songs. Would be very nice!
Über alles in der Welt,
Wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
Brüderlich zusammenhält;
Von der Maas bis an die Memel,
Von der Etsch bis an den Belt:
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt! Deutsche Frauen, deutsche Treue,
Deutscher Wein und deutscher Sang
Sollen in der Welt behalten
Ihren alten, schönen Klang,
Uns zu edler Tat begeistern
Unser ganzes Leben lang
Deutsche Frauen, deutsche Treue,
Deutscher Wein und deutscher Sang! Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
Für das deutsche Vaterland!
Danach laßt uns alle streben
Brüderlich mit Herz und Hand!
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
Sind des Glückes Unterpfand:
Blüh im Glanze dieses Glückes,
Blühe, deutsches Vaterland
I think the song is no more and no less bloodthirsty than the Marseillaise...
La Marseillaise - paroles en français
Allons enfants de la Patrie
Le jour de gloire est arrivé !
Contre nous de la tyrannie
L'étendard sanglant est levé
Entendez-vous dans nos campagnes
Mugir ces féroces soldats?
Ils viennent jusque dans vos bras.
Égorger vos fils, vos compagnes!
Aux armes citoyens
Formez vos bataillons
Marchons, marchons
Qu'un sang impur
Abreuve nos sillons
Que veut cette horde d'esclaves
De traîtres, de rois conjurés?
Pour qui ces ignobles entraves
Ces fers dès longtemps préparés?
Français, pour nous, ah! quel outrage
Quels transports il doit exciter?
C'est nous qu'on ose méditer
De rendre à l'antique esclavage!
Quoi ces cohortes étrangères!
Feraient la loi dans nos foyers!
Quoi! ces phalanges mercenaires
Terrasseraient nos fils guerriers!
Grand Dieu! par des mains enchaînées
Nos fronts sous le joug se ploieraient
De vils despotes deviendraient
Les maîtres des destinées.
Tremblez, tyrans et vous perfides
L'opprobre de tous les partis
Tremblez! vos projets parricides
Vont enfin recevoir leurs prix!
Tout est soldat pour vous combattre
S'ils tombent, nos jeunes héros
La France en produit de nouveaux,
Contre vous tout prêts à se battre.
Français, en guerriers magnanimes
Portez ou retenez vos coups!
Épargnez ces tristes victimes
À regret s'armant contre nous
Mais ces despotes sanguinaires
Mais ces complices de Bouillé
Tous ces tigres qui, sans pitié
Déchirent le sein de leur mère!
Nous entrerons dans la carrière
Quand nos aînés n'y seront plus
Nous y trouverons leur poussière
Et la trace de leurs vertus
Bien moins jaloux de leur survivre
Que de partager leur cercueil
Nous aurons le sublime orgueil
De les venger ou de les suivre!
Amour sacré de la Patrie
Conduis, soutiens nos bras vengeurs
Liberté, Liberté chérie
Combats avec tes défenseurs!
Sous nos drapeaux, que la victoire
Accoure à tes mâles accents
Que tes ennemis expirants
Voient ton triomphe et notre gloire!
Apologies to those of you who dont happen to speak French, German and English, but those who do will see that there is very little unusual in even the full version of the German anthem (which IMO should be restored to its former state). And dont even get me started on the Russian one
Either way, my point is that it would be very nice to have them all, along with Rule Britannia, in their integral and vocal versions, as the theme songs of the major powers.
Even better, they could trigger as results of doing especially well with any given nation, thus replacing default instrumental songs. Would be very nice!
Will La Marsellaise be French theme song?Stars and Stripes song could also be in game
Also, i have a cool ingame sound suggestion.The US Cavalry trumpet signal (you know that in John Wayne films) should be played when player's unit attacks someone?
Also, i have a cool ingame sound suggestion.The US Cavalry trumpet signal (you know that in John Wayne films) should be played when player's unit attacks someone?
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have anyone seen all quite on the western front from 1979
well there they sing a german nationalistic song i dont know the name but some parts of the text is "of Fatherland beloved" and "The defenders of the Rhein"
well there they sing a german nationalistic song i dont know the name but some parts of the text is "of Fatherland beloved" and "The defenders of the Rhein"
I'd like to hear "Bold Young Fenians" if you happen to become independant as Ireland. Also, for the Confederate player, "Dixie" BETTER be in the game(Although as to which version they use, I don't know). Not sure which other songs should be in.
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