Well it is a verse of Gad Save the Queen we find rather objectional. This one to be exact:
Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the Queen
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Well it is a verse of Gad Save the Queen we find rather objectional. This one to be exact:
Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the Queen
I think its one of my favourite songs, i'd like to hear the full version, probably wont happen though.
I don't find any strange line, after all isn't crushing Scots, the English Hobby by excelence??
I was talking about this line:
The nations, not so blest as thee,
Must, in their turns, to tyrants fall:
While thou shalt flourish great and free,
The dread and envy of them all.
The nations, not so blest as thee,
Must, in their turns, to tyrants fall:
While thou shalt flourish great and free,
The dread and envy of them all.
Originally posted by Txini
I don't find any strange line, after all isn't crushing Scots, the English Hobby by excelence??
Eh not quite, it is a reference to the crushing of the '45. Since the the majority of the government army was made up of Scottish troops it seems a particularly ironic line if you ask me.
Originally posted by Dark Knight
But the line is about crushing rebellious Scots.
Well everyone needs a hobby
To add Deutschland über alles wouldn't be accurate...
During the 19th century and Imperial age, the German national anthem was "Heil dir im Siegerkranz". This song was always sung, from the early days of the German Empire, to the time when German soldiers left for the front in World War One.
Before Germany was united... the specific Prussian national anthem was "Ich bin ein Preuße" and this song was even played during the Coronation of Wilhelm I as King, and later as Emperor.
http://www.ingeb.org/Lieder/heildiri.html - Heil dir im Siegerkranz
http://www.ingeb.org/Lieder/preussen.html - Ich bin ein Preuße
Deutschland über alles wasn't even really sung a lot until World War One, mostly by soldiers, and then it was later made the national anthem by Friedrich Ebert in 1922 in the illegitimate Weimar Republic. The song was originally composed by a poet to the tune of the Kaiserhymn.
There is a march though, the "Preußenmarsch" which was played very commonly during the Empire. It included both of the songs... starting with Heil dir im Siegerkranz... then Ich bin ein Preuße... and then ending with Heil dir im Siegerkranz again... (Instrumentally of course)
During the 19th century and Imperial age, the German national anthem was "Heil dir im Siegerkranz". This song was always sung, from the early days of the German Empire, to the time when German soldiers left for the front in World War One.
Before Germany was united... the specific Prussian national anthem was "Ich bin ein Preuße" and this song was even played during the Coronation of Wilhelm I as King, and later as Emperor.
http://www.ingeb.org/Lieder/heildiri.html - Heil dir im Siegerkranz
http://www.ingeb.org/Lieder/preussen.html - Ich bin ein Preuße
Deutschland über alles wasn't even really sung a lot until World War One, mostly by soldiers, and then it was later made the national anthem by Friedrich Ebert in 1922 in the illegitimate Weimar Republic. The song was originally composed by a poet to the tune of the Kaiserhymn.
There is a march though, the "Preußenmarsch" which was played very commonly during the Empire. It included both of the songs... starting with Heil dir im Siegerkranz... then Ich bin ein Preuße... and then ending with Heil dir im Siegerkranz again... (Instrumentally of course)
I fear I might drive this thread off topic, but what do you mean with the "illegitimate Weimar Republic"?
To what historical event are you refering specifically?
(or are you just a Prussian monarchist
)
Well, in the same line we may put the french anthem, who was the basis for the belgian "brabançonne" national anthem. For my countrymen had little time during the revolution and just took something they liked and which didn't sound too dutch
Likewise, a song like the communist "international" anthem would be good for the game... But if we all ask for our own music, then the game will need 4 cd's ! Since you can easily ad music to the game ( just put the mp3 in the right folder and enter the filename in a list ), it may be easier to make a webpage with links to musics like that so that everybody can dl what he/she wants.
Likewise, a song like the communist "international" anthem would be good for the game... But if we all ask for our own music, then the game will need 4 cd's ! Since you can easily ad music to the game ( just put the mp3 in the right folder and enter the filename in a list ), it may be easier to make a webpage with links to musics like that so that everybody can dl what he/she wants.
And what if I want to play as say Rhodesia? What does the Rhodesian national anthem sound like?
10victorypts to the man who can hum it.......
10victorypts to the man who can hum it.......
Originally posted by Karl Martell
Rhodesia??? That ain't on my 1836-1920 radar screen.
Really? Look closer. Rhodesia got it's name after the British South Africa Company (BSAC) had conquered the provinces of Matabele and Mashona in 1893. It was named after the BSAC president Cecil Rhodes and formally belonged to the BSAC but was in reality a british colony. Dunno if they had a national anthem though, however I only used it as an example of the folly it would be to believe that the creators of Vicky would be able to give every small state it's own national anthem ingame.
//Great_Fenian_Ram
Rhodesia only decided upon a national anthem when it became a separate state after declaring their independence from Britain. The government chose the "Joy" theme from the fourth movement of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony as the theme for the new country's anthem and then held a competition for the lyrics. The winner:
As Karl Martell pointed out, this was half a century after the Victoria period.
Originally posted by Txini
I don't find any strange line, after all isn't crushing Scots, the English Hobby by excelence??
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This would all be well and good if it was the English national Anthem, but instead it is the British national anthem. This line would be roughly the equivalent of having a line in the Spanish national anthem about slaughtering rebellious Catalans, or declaring the triumph of slaughtered Confederates during the US civil war. I am sure you can see why Scots would be offended by this.
Great Britain was created by a diplomatic union between two independent states, not an English conquest of Scotland.
[/rant}
Now back on topic...
Deutschland uber alles was only particularly popular during the last few years of the Victoria period, so it will probably not be included in the game. It should not be that hard to find an MP3 of it if you want to add it. Given it's popularity, the music of "God Save the King" should be included, since every major European nation seems to have taken the music and added their own lyrics to it.
what is the MEANING of Deutschland über Alles
I hear a lot of folks just giving out the dates, who wrote it, etc. Even our German friends aren't really explaining what the PURPOSE of the song was.
Use your noggin and realize the CONTEXT in which it was written.
This was a time when Germany didn't exist. There was a strong nationalist movement (the good kind) to unify all the Germans under one nation.
Get it "Deutschland über Alles".
ie, "Germany over all".
Germany over Bavaria
Germany over Saxony
Germany over Baden
Germany over Hessen
And yes, even a few Austrians, French, Belgians and Danes sang it as well if they were German and gave thought to a one-day united Germany.
This song is the EPITOME of what Germany (mostly Prussia) will be trying to do in this game.
I hear a lot of folks just giving out the dates, who wrote it, etc. Even our German friends aren't really explaining what the PURPOSE of the song was.
Use your noggin and realize the CONTEXT in which it was written.
This was a time when Germany didn't exist. There was a strong nationalist movement (the good kind) to unify all the Germans under one nation.
Get it "Deutschland über Alles".
ie, "Germany over all".
Germany over Bavaria
Germany over Saxony
Germany over Baden
Germany over Hessen
And yes, even a few Austrians, French, Belgians and Danes sang it as well if they were German and gave thought to a one-day united Germany.
This song is the EPITOME of what Germany (mostly Prussia) will be trying to do in this game.
Regardless, the old words are unquestionably not PC after the 20th century. And to turn around and endorse a tune that is of course entirely PC after the 20th century, I must say die internationale is definately a good thought for certain eras of Vic.
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